VKlit deserves our respect...here's why!

[GasPed]

Here's the deal - a faded Lewis had problems with VK, but I have no doubt that same faded Lewis could've have probably taken Kirk Johnson, Rahman, Golota, Ruiz, Byrd, or anyone else, without too much problem.

VK annihilated Johnson like no one before or since. He beat up Sanders badly like no one before or since. He was handling Byrd when he quit. He gave a fading but focused Lewis all he could handle. And he's beaten everyone else he faced. I hate to say it, but for now, you'd have to say the Ukrainian robot is the best heavy we've got. End of story.

[AKATheMack]

I dont think Vitali has proved himself great, but he hasnt proved he's not either so I dont see how anyone can be so for or against this man. Until he proves one way or the other why doesnt everyone sit back and wait for something to happen. I agree that just because you have beat ranked fighters makes you anything special. If that was the case Wlad would actually look like a real contender. Vitali beat up who he was supposed to just cause they were fat he gets blamed, is he supposed to train them also? HOW THE **** is Toney ranked who has HE beat to get all this respect? and Im not talking about recently Im talking about EVER he has beat nobody worth a **** except Vassiliy and Nunn. VK has fought just as tough if not tougher competition than Toney, but Toney is just a supreme badass? C'mon now

[Moon]

Vitali gets the type of respect that a Champ deserves, only when he's beaten guys that are worth mentioning. Vitali needs some belts. Unfortunately, until King makes it happen, we fans are left talking about Vitali Klitchko in the context of his recent wins over fat and/or old guys, and his loss to Lewis. That sucks for us and Klit.

You, and several oters who post regularly on this site, argue that Vitali deserves our respect, based on Lewis's refusal of a rematch. Give us a break. Vitali's "respect" must be won in the ring, not by the fact that another man won't fight him again. Lewis was nearing retirement and, just like RJJ, showed-up uninspired and fat. His choice to retire is his and we can't start building Klit's legacy on that LOSS.

Respect comes from your performance. Vitali got some respect for his performance against Lewis, but he simply didn't win that fight, as you said, and we'll never know what was gonna' happen in the next round(s).

[scap]

Vitali gets the type of respect that a Champ deserves, only when he's beaten guys that are worth mentioning. Vitali needs some belts. Unfortunately, until King makes it happen, we fans are left talking about Vitali Klitchko in the context of his recent wins over fat and/or old guys, and his loss to Lewis. That sucks for us and Klit.

You, and several oters who post regularly on this site, argue that Vitali deserves our respect, based on Lewis's refusal of a rematch. Give us a break. Vitali's "respect" must be won in the ring, not by the fact that another man won't fight him again. Lewis was nearing retirement and, just like RJJ, showed-up uninspired and fat. His choice to retire is his and we can't start building Klit's legacy on that LOSS.

Respect comes from your performance. Vitali got some respect for his performance against Lewis, but he simply didn't win that fight, as you said, and we'll never know what was gonna' happen in the next round(s).

If Lewis was fat and uninspired he would have never made it too the sixth round, yes of course we start building Klits legacy off of the Lewis fight...that is his beginning! His legacy may go up in flames in the next fight or two but if it doesnt and he stays undefeated for five years his legacy began on the night in which he battled LEnnox...period!
Again I am not saying the Vitaly is the ****, all I am saying is that he is better than any other heavy out there right now, which doesn't say much but it still counts for something...Time will tell how good this guy is but right now he is the best...Who else is there? I love James Toney (he has beaten more than just Jirov/Nunn...McCallum twice, PRime Reggie Johnson-something Tarver could barely do when Johnson was way past prime, pummeled Iran Barkley etc)but someone earlier said it best, James Toney beat Evander...Evander is shot, Lennox was not shot! If you fight Toney the right way and don't come after him you can have a much easier time with him, VK is resourceful-he won't come at Toney, Toney will get cracked with a long jab and be forced to attack....Toney never attacks so he will have to change as a fighter. No more beating a dead horse, we do have to sit back and watch and see what happens, but if he knocks out Williams then what do you have? Ruiz/Byrd who who squeek out fight after fight...or Vitally who ****s people up...you stick with Byrd and Ruiz I'll take my chances with VK...

[leff]

Aaaah its this discussion again okay.

Vit is the best in the division, a bad division yes but stil the best out there.

His newer been knocked out, beaten upp ore outbox neither as an amature ore pro.

His two losses are due to damages not outboxing, the one against LL because of elegal action.

Had he not been unlucky against Byrd and had he the ref done his job ore LL hadent cheated, he would have been undefeated.

His losses are bull****.

His the best there is right now, give the guy the respect he deserves, for being polite, fore showing upp in shape and for newer getting truly beaten.

And you can on and on about LL not being in shape, what do think is the worst change from the man vit was sopossed to fight to fighting LL. Ore from Klitschko to Johson?

Vit had a bigger difference and LL exactly the same amount of time to prepare for Vit as Vit to prepare for LL.

[dempseyfire]

So Johnson weighing 260 lbs means nothing? (and don't say it didn't matter b/c it went 2 rounds. If you've ever boxed you'd know that fighting so grossly out of shape effects you from the opening bell). Sanders got KO'd by Nate Tubbs for a 10 count and was knocked down and TKO'd by Rahman in his prime before Klitschko ever got hold of an old, inactive, and grotesqly out of shape Sanders. And Lewis was not in his prime for Tyson, people were just saying that to make the Tyson loss seem not as bad as it was. Lewis has clearly been slipping as a fighter ever since Rahman 1. (and illegal action?? You're not a believer of the Lewis headbutt theory are you? Geeeeez . . .)
I do respect Vitali as a fighter and I prefer to see him fight then many of the pretenders like Rahman, Ruiz, McCline etc. He may even be the best of the lot right now. But he's done anything to get anybody to sing his praises yet . . .

[scap]

So Johnson weighing 260 lbs means nothing? (and don't say it didn't matter b/c it went 2 rounds. If you've ever boxed you'd know that fighting so grossly out of shape effects you from the opening bell). Sanders got KO'd by Nate Tubbs for a 10 count and was knocked down and TKO'd by Rahman in his prime before Klitschko ever got hold of an old, inactive, and grotesqly out of shape Sanders. And Lewis was not in his prime for Tyson, people were just saying that to make the Tyson loss seem not as bad as it was. Lewis has clearly been slipping as a fighter ever since Rahman 1. (and illegal action?? You're not a believer of the Lewis headbutt theory are you? Geeeeez . . .)
I do respect Vitali as a fighter and I prefer to see him fight then many of the pretenders like Rahman, Ruiz, McCline etc. He may even be the best of the lot right now. But he's done anything to get anybody to sing his praises yet . . .

I think people said Lewis was in his prime because they thought he was in his prime. I personally think there is no fighter 34-37 that has ever been better than Lewis. I don't know about a headbut I just know that the right hand landed high and LEwis sc****d VK with the tape on his gloves. I will say this about Lewis, he ws never very consistent, the guy never put a string of five or six good fights together, he always struggled...looked amazing and then would struggle again. Again time will tell with VK, time will tell.

[neils7147933]

So Johnson weighing 260 lbs means nothing? (and don't say it didn't matter b/c it went 2 rounds. If you've ever boxed you'd know that fighting so grossly out of shape effects you from the opening bell). Sanders got KO'd by Nate Tubbs for a 10 count and was knocked down and TKO'd by Rahman in his prime before Klitschko ever got hold of an old, inactive, and grotesqly out of shape Sanders. And Lewis was not in his prime for Tyson, people were just saying that to make the Tyson loss seem not as bad as it was. Lewis has clearly been slipping as a fighter ever since Rahman 1. (and illegal action?? You're not a believer of the Lewis headbutt theory are you? Geeeeez . . .)
I do respect Vitali as a fighter and I prefer to see him fight then many of the pretenders like Rahman, Ruiz, McCline etc. He may even be the best of the lot right now. But he's done anything to get anybody to sing his praises yet . . .

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[Neuraxis]

Of the top 15 ranked heavyweights (updated Nov 14),

Vitali has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBC (Sanders)
Vitali has ZERO wins over anyone ranked by the WBA
Vitali has ZERO wins over anyone ranked by the IBF
Vitali has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBO (Hoffman)
Ranked Opponents - 2
Different Ranked Opponents - 2

IBF Champ Byrd has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBC (VKlitschko)
Byrd has TWO wins over anyone ranked by the WBA (McCline, Holyfield)
Byrd has ONE win over anyone ranked by the IBF (McCline..plus vacated Klit)
Byrd has ZERO wins over anyone ranked by the WBO
Ranked opponents - 4
Different Ranked opponents - 3

Ruiz has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBC (Rahman)
Ruiz has THREE wins over anyone ranked by the WBA (Rahman, Golota, Holyfield)
Ruiz has ONE win over anyone ranked by the IBF (Rahman)
Ruiz has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBO (Rahman)
Ranked opponents - 5
Different Ranked opponents - 3

Brewster has TWO wins over anyone ranked by the WBC (W Klitshcko, Meehan)
Brewster has TWO Wins over anyone ranked by the WBA (W Klitschko, Meehan)
Brewster has ONE win over anyone ranked by the IBF (Meehan)
Brewster has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBO (W Klitschko)
Ranked opponents - 6
Different ranked opponents - 2

I know some guys are ranked by more than one organization, but doesn't that make them more credible contenders? Now why is Vitali called "The man"?

That is a completely biased list. You can't do a list with people's current rankings. You would have to be crazy to think that Holyfield and Meehan will still be ranked in November. Vitali v. Donald was a WBA heavyweight title eliminator bout. It matters where they were ranked when they fought Vitali, and I can bet that everyone that he has fought since he beat Hide has been in the 15. We all know that Wladimir has the best wins at heavyweight, and that just goes to show you how much that's worth.

[dansweeney]

i dont post alot but i read alot, and neuraxis, you are all over vitali's ****, he is good but nothing special man, get over it, williams is gonna kayo his ass next month, if he wasnt 6'8 no one would ever have heard of him, he has average skills with good power due to his size, he fought a **** load of bums over there in germany sprinkled in with some contenders thats all