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    VKlit deserves our respect...here's why!

    There are a lot of Vitaly Klitchko haters/doubters out there and I think that many are off base. I do realize that it may be me that is offbase-it could just be that I am so ready/hopeful/praying...for someone to take hold of the division and dominate it that I could have blinders on, but for now I don't think that is the case.

    People out there act like Vklit was beaten by Chris Byrd, well it does count as a loss but If I were Chris Byrd that is no victory that I would be bragging about, he got his ass kicked in that fight as was the most surprised man in the arena when Vitaly decided to hang it up with a huge lead on the cards...Give VK the benefit of the doubt here after all for the entire fight he dominated a guy that is supposedly one of the most if not the most difficult fighters to fight. If he quits again then lets talk about it.

    VKLIT v. LEWIS...This is his biggest argument and why fans should think a bit more of him. I am not going too say that he was going to win that fight, it was in all reality either mans fight going into the 7th. Vklit was a bit out of steam and was somewhat hurt and Lewis barely landed on his stewl at the end of the 6th, both men appeared to be done! He hurt Lewis repeately in this fight and throughout the bout took huge shots and showed as he has recently that he knows how too survive when he needs too, unlike his brother. What I find interesting and solidifying in Vklit's case is that Lewis did not want a rematch? What the hell? What the hell? Lewis said that he had done everything he needed to do and his legacy was complete....wrong! Lewis let a guy **** him around for six rounds, Lewis was lucky in a way with the cut, the punch was not a clean cut right hand, it landed high and his glove slid up Vitaly's face, it looked like a half punch half duck tape cut too me. When Lewis was supposedly in his prime he let a big unccoordinated quitter take the fight too him and at the time of the stoppage this quitter was up on all cards. Thats Lennox's last fight...why no rematch?

    No rematch because this guy is better than you think, Lewis figured that the public would give him a pass because he was not in shape (Manny Steward said he was in great shape, and two weeks before when the Johnson fight was in jeopardy Jim Lampley was interviewing Lennox talking about what great shape he was in and how it would be a shame if the Johnson fight did not come off)
    and he underestimated the guy, Lewis figured that everyone new that if he was primed and ready to go then it would have been an easy night. Is that what he figured? Manny Steward and Lennox knew that a rematch was nothing like a rematch with McCall or Rock, they were facing a guy that matched up very well with them. In all reality Rock doesn't match up well with LEwis, like Rock said I couldn't even get close too him in the second fight. Vitaly can and would've.

    The fact that Lennox refused a rematch with a guy who was beating him should tell you that this guy is legit or at the very least better than you think. He smoked Kirk Johnson like no one else has, he was nailed with some huge lefts in the sanders fight(ones that he never saw coming, oh by the way he had never fought a southpaw before), easily survived and dished out a monster beating, he has been incredibly resourceful with his punches showing that he does watch weak fighters like WladKLIT and yes...he learns from their mistakes. He will thrash Danny Willians as well with relative ease. After the Williams fight there will still be people out there that think he sucks. The only thing that I know for sure is that it won't be me and more importantly it won't be Lennox Lewis.

    #2
    why couldn't you have just annexed this to one of the other five dozen vitali-worship threads?

    Praising a guy based on a loss in a fight that only made it halfway through is grounds for a little respect, but not worldwide recognized champion.

    Save it.

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      #3
      Scap, you seem to forget a few things. First off, Chris Byrd, who you say was getting his ass kicked (which is just not true-have you seen the fight? Byrd was losing b/c he wasn't doing enough ofeensively but it was far from a beating . . .), is a southpaw, so Sanders was not the first southpaw he fought. You also conveniently forget that not only was Lewis out of shape from a year layoff from boxing, but the man was 37 years old and would've been at least 38 in the rematch. Lewis's reflexes had clearly eroded by watching the film. A fighter at that age is washed up, especially a fighter who isn't religious when it comes to training and fighting (like Hopkins, who is a fighter who comes around once in a lifetime). Lewis had every right to go out on a winning note as he knew he wouldn't be able to be at his best for another fight.

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        #4
        dude i get what ur saying..the fight vs sanders was great (and lewis ***** a** didnt even wanna fight sander's when sander was game..lewis was like i dont fight my friends)..anyway..no u wont get vitali respect by making a thread...vitali will beat williams..then after that fight however he faces after that fight will say a lot about him...but after sometime if he keeps winning and getting good fights people will start to respect him..

        but thread will do what manny pacquaio fans do, which is push their fighter on you, which after awhile you start hating them for that

        so give vitali time to gain his respect if he doea which i think he will...

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          #5
          after williams fight it might be byrd vs vitali since byrd said he didnt wanna fight ruiz...so their is vitali's chance to get some respect

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            #6
            i give VK repsect for being the only guy to KO donald, johnson and bean.... plus his win over sanders... who else has been more impressive than VK in the last 2 years?? ruiz? byrd? toney? rahman? nope.....

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              #7
              VK was only getting the better of lewis for the first half of the fight, well maybe a bit more, leewis was looking on top after that, however, i dont think lewis was at his best for that fight, his reflexes were lessening and so was his skill

              he was right not to fight a rematch, end of the day he was going to be 38, why face the chance of loosing when you can go out on the top

              respect lewis, he made the h/w division intresting unlike anyother fighter can today

              and if lewis were to fight williams, there wouldnt be any doubters as to who would win, as there is in the VKlitorous case

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                #8
                I agree with Hurlex. I think that you should leave it to Vitaly to make people respect him.
                Remember how LEwis was hated when he just became a champ. Now most of the people put him in Top Ten of the greatest HW's. Let Vitaly fight and win and more people will respect him. But as far as your post goes it's a "little" too much. In these fights you saw only what you wanted. It happens to all of us. Thats why there is som mush controversy and argument about fights like VK vs. Lewis or DLH vs. Trinidad for example.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by dempseyfire
                  Scap, you seem to forget a few things. First off, Chris Byrd, who you say was getting his ass kicked (which is just not true-have you seen the fight? Byrd was losing b/c he wasn't doing enough ofeensively but it was far from a beating . . .), is a southpaw, so Sanders was not the first southpaw he fought. You also conveniently forget that not only was Lewis out of shape from a year layoff from boxing, but the man was 37 years old and would've been at least 38 in the rematch. Lewis's reflexes had clearly eroded by watching the film. A fighter at that age is washed up, especially a fighter who isn't religious when it comes to training and fighting (like Hopkins, who is a fighter who comes around once in a lifetime). Lewis had every right to go out on a winning note as he knew he wouldn't be able to be at his best for another fight.
                  Ok I may have made a mistake on the southpaw thing, that is what was reported, is Byrd a true southpaw? Ok Byrd was not getting beat down like he did against Wlad but all he had to do was continue to breath in the ring for another 2 rounds and he was the easy winner sorry for overstating it a bit, oh I have seen the fight, I own it. You make valid points as there are many points and angles that can be made. However the excuse that Lewis was out of shape is something that MAnny Steward has repeatedly made a point to deny. Why would Manny continue on several occassions to say that Lewis was in shape for that fight, ask him today and he will flat out tell you that LEwis being out of shape is bull****. After the Tyson fight everyone was saying that Lewis was in his prime, what the hell, one year after that his reflexes are shot and he sucks?

                  I am not a Vitally lover, there are lots of fighters that I root for a lot harder than VK, howver in this division he in my mind is far and away the best fighter there is. Basically you proved my point, you say that Lewis was too old, reflexes shot etc, basically you say the same thing that Manny Steward probably said too Lennox...."Son I don't know if you can win this one."

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                    #10
                    Of the top 15 ranked heavyweights (updated Nov 14),

                    Vitali has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBC (Sanders)
                    Vitali has ZERO wins over anyone ranked by the WBA
                    Vitali has ZERO wins over anyone ranked by the IBF
                    Vitali has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBO (Hoffman)
                    Ranked Opponents - 2
                    Different Ranked Opponents - 2

                    IBF Champ Byrd has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBC (VKlitschko)
                    Byrd has TWO wins over anyone ranked by the WBA (McCline, Holyfield)
                    Byrd has ONE win over anyone ranked by the IBF (McCline..plus vacated Klit)
                    Byrd has ZERO wins over anyone ranked by the WBO
                    Ranked opponents - 4
                    Different Ranked opponents - 3

                    Ruiz has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBC (Rahman)
                    Ruiz has THREE wins over anyone ranked by the WBA (Rahman, Golota, Holyfield)
                    Ruiz has ONE win over anyone ranked by the IBF (Rahman)
                    Ruiz has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBO (Rahman)
                    Ranked opponents - 5
                    Different Ranked opponents - 3

                    Brewster has TWO wins over anyone ranked by the WBC (W Klitshcko, Meehan)
                    Brewster has TWO Wins over anyone ranked by the WBA (W Klitschko, Meehan)
                    Brewster has ONE win over anyone ranked by the IBF (Meehan)
                    Brewster has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBO (W Klitschko)
                    Ranked opponents - 6
                    Different ranked opponents - 2

                    I know some guys are ranked by more than one organization, but doesn't that make them more credible contenders? Now why is Vitali called "The man"?

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