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    Nacho is drinking the pac-man kool-aid, period. Why people think Paq is going to KO Cotto is completely beyond me. Can Paq win, certainly but it isn't going to be by a KO. We can start by looking at Paq's last three fights, (Diaz, De La Hoya, Hatton) all of them were marketing fights and nothing more. I'm not saying that Paq doesn't have the right to face Mayweather competition because he's faced the best of the best already and deserve the chance to build his name. However, none of the these guys were a threat to Paq with the exception of De La Hoya and that was before most people say exactly what Oscar was going to come in at which was expected to be 160ish.

    Paq, would never have done what he did to Diaz had he faced Baby Bull Diaz, I still think he would have won but not in the fashion he did. He "passed" a real thread ala Mayweather. Next he went on to Oscar which I never gave Paq a chance because of the size, and he proved me wrong and I give him credit for that, but Oscar's never won any of his big fights. He gives your great fights, but rarely wins the big ones except for an over the hill Chavez and iffy Quartey win. Mosley, Trinidad, Hopkins all loses all of his biggest fights I'd say.

    And Hatton... he's one of the most overrated big names in the sport. Sure, he did okay with Mayweather at first but all the guy does is run in without the use of a jab whatsoever, he was a strong guy in a weak division for all his career that he dominated. The fight after Mayweather I missed but heard he looked like garbage and got lucky, the fight with Paulie I think he looked improved but was still total junk. And right before the bell rang with the Paq fight I told the 7 or 8 people at my house watching the fight, I hope it lasts more than 3 rounds because I just paid $60 for this fight and look what happend. Its not that I'm upset about the money its just that Paq and Top Rank picked fights to build Paq which there is nothing wrong with but people fell into this facade of Paq that he's invincible, he's not. JMM, need I say more?

    These 3 fights Paq was never hit with a solid punch because of weak opposition. In his fights with Marquez, who isn't even that great a puncher, Paq got rocked. Cotto is a far bigger man than JMM and has much more power. Which brings me to Cotto. People hate him or love him and think he is the best or the biggest crock in boxing... and why people think this are the same exact reason.

    Cotto fights people who push him to his limits, these people show and bring out Cotto's flaws yet time and again he manages a win. He may not look dominant like Paq did in his last three fights but that is because he's put up there with the hardest bouts for him, the elite of his division some of whom are the elite in boxing (Mosley, Margarito.) Cotto's entire career has been built like this, he's been hurt, rocked, and down in his fights because of his opposition they bring out the worst in him which brings out the best of him.

    People who don't like Cotto for some reason, see this as him being a "bad" fighter which makes no sense to me along with people saying he "fades" in fights... He faded badly in one fight and that was a questionable fight against Margarito. He was completely in shambles in the Judah fight at which point he turned up the heat in the later rounds along with a lot of his other fights pre-Judah where most of his Ko's came in the 9th or later. Against Mosley he didn't fade, he switched up his gameplan as he realized that Mosley figured out a way to win the rounds with Cotto coming forward, once Cotto went to full on boxing he lured Mosley in and started winning the last few rounds again. Its not "running or tiring" its called strategy, a boxer/fighter doesn't need to stick to just one style his entire career to be defined as great people.

    Look at Trinidad for the longest time he was unstoppable, then people figured it out that all he did was come forward and you could beat him with good defense and countering. Cotto himself may have learned from this and realized that he needed to try something to change up his aggressive style as with a lot of his bouts prior he got hurt and just kept coming forward. He realized that he doesn't have a Margarito type chin and can't just keep coming forward because he keeps getting caught no matter who it is. Corley, Torres, Judah all fights he was badly badly hurt.

    What does all this have to do with the topic at hand? Nacho is hoping Cotto doesn't win because he couldn't beat Paq with what he had and he doesn't want to look bad, though, he looked pretty ****ty with how he brought along De La Hoya. Roach even stated in an interview, can't remember where I saw it but he mention that when he was training Oscar for the Mayweather fight, that Oscar had no idea how to cut off the ring and that all he did was follow his guy around. De La Hoya had the same exact problem with Paq, and its not a problem Cotto will have no matter how fast Paq is. Cotto isn't the strongest guy out there, but he's also not the slowest. In fact, he's probably one of the faster opponents Paqs had to face. And although as I said he's not the strongest guy out there he definitely the strongest one Paq's ever had to face.

    Finally, about the KO in 6. Its not going to happen. It took Paq 11 to K.O. Diaz, he didn't K.O. De La Hoya even though he was completed drained and his KO against Hatton... who can't KO Hatton, honestly? The guy's terrible health regime in between fights caught up to him, you can't be jumping in weight like that and not expect it to have some sort of affect on you. I don't hate Paq, I respect the guy more than anything he deserved to build his name and pick his fights, he's earned it. What I am saying, however, is that look at more than just his pass 3 fights just like people should do with Cotto. A fighters career should have more bearing on his performance vs what he has done recently. Oh, and one more thing about Cotto having a weak chin... the man has never lost by getting K.O'd his corner threw in the towel against Mr. Hand Wraps. He was never hurt against Mosley, the same man who KO'd Mr. Hand Wraps and aside from Margarito fight I don't think he has ever been down at 147.

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      Nacho shouldn't talk. The ****er transformed De La Hoya into De La Zombie. He said De La Hoya was gonna stop Pacquiao, we saw the result.

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        Originally posted by don miguel View Post
        I said fast enough to accurately hit him. If you believe Cotto is faster than JMM, i respect that. I don't think so. But you admit he is not as accurate as JMM. You see.. FAST and ACCURATELY FAST is two different things. You may have fast handspeed but can't hit the target, it can't do no damage. It's difficult to accurately hit a moving target like Pacquiao. I will make it clear that hit and accurately hit are different.

        How about footspeed and footwork? Is Cotto way faster than JMM? You know.. Cotto has to be near Pacquiao to land some shots. And position his feet properly to hit ACCURATELY. He can't just detach his arms and throw it at Pacquiao to hit him
        dude stop acting like pac is not hittable because he is. jmm,morales,diaz,hattan,dhl and mab all hit him,some were more succesful in hitting pac more then others. cotto is not slow like some i listed and moves faster then some i listed and has more pwr then some i listed. so yes cotto will hit pac i can gurateen you that,that cotto will land bombs on pac.cotto aint hattan belive that. pac will have to earn this victory against cotto. not saying pac cant win cause he can but people need stop acting like pac aint hittable.

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          Originally posted by Beater_of_ass View Post
          Nacho is drinking the pac-man kool-aid, period. Why people think Paq is going to KO Cotto is completely beyond me. Can Paq win, certainly but it isn't going to be by a KO. We can start by looking at Paq's last three fights, (Diaz, De La Hoya, Hatton) all of them were marketing fights and nothing more. I'm not saying that Paq doesn't have the right to face Mayweather competition because he's faced the best of the best already and deserve the chance to build his name. However, none of the these guys were a threat to Paq with the exception of De La Hoya and that was before most people say exactly what Oscar was going to come in at which was expected to be 160ish.

          Paq, would never have done what he did to Diaz had he faced Baby Bull Diaz, I still think he would have won but not in the fashion he did. He "passed" a real thread ala Mayweather. Next he went on to Oscar which I never gave Paq a chance because of the size, and he proved me wrong and I give him credit for that, but Oscar's never won any of his big fights. He gives your great fights, but rarely wins the big ones except for an over the hill Chavez and iffy Quartey win. Mosley, Trinidad, Hopkins all loses all of his biggest fights I'd say.

          And Hatton... he's one of the most overrated big names in the sport. Sure, he did okay with Mayweather at first but all the guy does is run in without the use of a jab whatsoever, he was a strong guy in a weak division for all his career that he dominated. The fight after Mayweather I missed but heard he looked like garbage and got lucky, the fight with Paulie I think he looked improved but was still total junk. And right before the bell rang with the Paq fight I told the 7 or 8 people at my house watching the fight, I hope it lasts more than 3 rounds because I just paid $60 for this fight and look what happend. Its not that I'm upset about the money its just that Paq and Top Rank picked fights to build Paq which there is nothing wrong with but people fell into this facade of Paq that he's invincible, he's not. JMM, need I say more?

          These 3 fights Paq was never hit with a solid punch because of weak opposition. In his fights with Marquez, who isn't even that great a puncher, Paq got rocked. Cotto is a far bigger man than JMM and has much more power. Which brings me to Cotto. People hate him or love him and think he is the best or the biggest crock in boxing... and why people think this are the same exact reason.

          Cotto fights people who push him to his limits, these people show and bring out Cotto's flaws yet time and again he manages a win. He may not look dominant like Paq did in his last three fights but that is because he's put up there with the hardest bouts for him, the elite of his division some of whom are the elite in boxing (Mosley, Margarito.) Cotto's entire career has been built like this, he's been hurt, rocked, and down in his fights because of his opposition they bring out the worst in him which brings out the best of him.

          People who don't like Cotto for some reason, see this as him being a "bad" fighter which makes no sense to me along with people saying he "fades" in fights... He faded badly in one fight and that was a questionable fight against Margarito. He was completely in shambles in the Judah fight at which point he turned up the heat in the later rounds along with a lot of his other fights pre-Judah where most of his Ko's came in the 9th or later. Against Mosley he didn't fade, he switched up his gameplan as he realized that Mosley figured out a way to win the rounds with Cotto coming forward, once Cotto went to full on boxing he lured Mosley in and started winning the last few rounds again. Its not "running or tiring" its called strategy, a boxer/fighter doesn't need to stick to just one style his entire career to be defined as great people.

          Look at Trinidad for the longest time he was unstoppable, then people figured it out that all he did was come forward and you could beat him with good defense and countering. Cotto himself may have learned from this and realized that he needed to try something to change up his aggressive style as with a lot of his bouts prior he got hurt and just kept coming forward. He realized that he doesn't have a Margarito type chin and can't just keep coming forward because he keeps getting caught no matter who it is. Corley, Torres, Judah all fights he was badly badly hurt.

          What does all this have to do with the topic at hand? Nacho is hoping Cotto doesn't win because he couldn't beat Paq with what he had and he doesn't want to look bad, though, he looked pretty ****ty with how he brought along De La Hoya. Roach even stated in an interview, can't remember where I saw it but he mention that when he was training Oscar for the Mayweather fight, that Oscar had no idea how to cut off the ring and that all he did was follow his guy around. De La Hoya had the same exact problem with Paq, and its not a problem Cotto will have no matter how fast Paq is. Cotto isn't the strongest guy out there, but he's also not the slowest. In fact, he's probably one of the faster opponents Paqs had to face. And although as I said he's not the strongest guy out there he definitely the strongest one Paq's ever had to face.

          Finally, about the KO in 6. Its not going to happen. It took Paq 11 to K.O. Diaz, he didn't K.O. De La Hoya even though he was completed drained and his KO against Hatton... who can't KO Hatton, honestly? The guy's terrible health regime in between fights caught up to him, you can't be jumping in weight like that and not expect it to have some sort of affect on you. I don't hate Paq, I respect the guy more than anything he deserved to build his name and pick his fights, he's earned it. What I am saying, however, is that look at more than just his pass 3 fights just like people should do with Cotto. A fighters career should have more bearing on his performance vs what he has done recently. Oh, and one more thing about Cotto having a weak chin... the man has never lost by getting K.O'd his corner threw in the towel against Mr. Hand Wraps. He was never hurt against Mosley, the same man who KO'd Mr. Hand Wraps and aside from Margarito fight I don't think he has ever been down at 147.
          I know you're a Cotto fan. I respect you for that. I just want to tell you that Nacho is just saying his opinion. He's not forcing you to agree with him. He may said it based on pure analysis or he may have personal motives. But he is entitled to it. Just because he said something against Cotto doesn't mean he drinks pac-man kool-aid. I agree with you that some thinks Pacquiao is invincible. But i don't think Nacho believes that Paq is invincible. He just believes that Paq will KO Cotto in 6. He certainly knows more than anyone of us in which to base his opinion. He watched Paq on the ring corner while his boxer fights Paq. Is he basing his opinion on pure analysis? We will never know. But he can't stop you to say your own opinion. Sad to say, more listens to him than to you.

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            Originally posted by Beater_of_ass View Post
            Nacho is drinking the pac-man kool-aid, period. Why people think Paq is going to KO Cotto is completely beyond me. Can Paq win, certainly but it isn't going to be by a KO. We can start by looking at Paq's last three fights, (Diaz, De La Hoya, Hatton) all of them were marketing fights and nothing more. I'm not saying that Paq doesn't have the right to face Mayweather competition because he's faced the best of the best already and deserve the chance to build his name. However, none of the these guys were a threat to Paq with the exception of De La Hoya and that was before most people say exactly what Oscar was going to come in at which was expected to be 160ish.

            Paq, would never have done what he did to Diaz had he faced Baby Bull Diaz, I still think he would have won but not in the fashion he did. He "passed" a real thread ala Mayweather. Next he went on to Oscar which I never gave Paq a chance because of the size, and he proved me wrong and I give him credit for that, but Oscar's never won any of his big fights. He gives your great fights, but rarely wins the big ones except for an over the hill Chavez and iffy Quartey win. Mosley, Trinidad, Hopkins all loses all of his biggest fights I'd say.

            And Hatton... he's one of the most overrated big names in the sport. Sure, he did okay with Mayweather at first but all the guy does is run in without the use of a jab whatsoever, he was a strong guy in a weak division for all his career that he dominated. The fight after Mayweather I missed but heard he looked like garbage and got lucky, the fight with Paulie I think he looked improved but was still total junk. And right before the bell rang with the Paq fight I told the 7 or 8 people at my house watching the fight, I hope it lasts more than 3 rounds because I just paid $60 for this fight and look what happend. Its not that I'm upset about the money its just that Paq and Top Rank picked fights to build Paq which there is nothing wrong with but people fell into this facade of Paq that he's invincible, he's not. JMM, need I say more?

            These 3 fights Paq was never hit with a solid punch because of weak opposition. In his fights with Marquez, who isn't even that great a puncher, Paq got rocked. Cotto is a far bigger man than JMM and has much more power. Which brings me to Cotto. People hate him or love him and think he is the best or the biggest crock in boxing... and why people think this are the same exact reason.

            Cotto fights people who push him to his limits, these people show and bring out Cotto's flaws yet time and again he manages a win. He may not look dominant like Paq did in his last three fights but that is because he's put up there with the hardest bouts for him, the elite of his division some of whom are the elite in boxing (Mosley, Margarito.) Cotto's entire career has been built like this, he's been hurt, rocked, and down in his fights because of his opposition they bring out the worst in him which brings out the best of him.

            People who don't like Cotto for some reason, see this as him being a "bad" fighter which makes no sense to me along with people saying he "fades" in fights... He faded badly in one fight and that was a questionable fight against Margarito. He was completely in shambles in the Judah fight at which point he turned up the heat in the later rounds along with a lot of his other fights pre-Judah where most of his Ko's came in the 9th or later. Against Mosley he didn't fade, he switched up his gameplan as he realized that Mosley figured out a way to win the rounds with Cotto coming forward, once Cotto went to full on boxing he lured Mosley in and started winning the last few rounds again. Its not "running or tiring" its called strategy, a boxer/fighter doesn't need to stick to just one style his entire career to be defined as great people.

            Look at Trinidad for the longest time he was unstoppable, then people figured it out that all he did was come forward and you could beat him with good defense and countering. Cotto himself may have learned from this and realized that he needed to try something to change up his aggressive style as with a lot of his bouts prior he got hurt and just kept coming forward. He realized that he doesn't have a Margarito type chin and can't just keep coming forward because he keeps getting caught no matter who it is. Corley, Torres, Judah all fights he was badly badly hurt.

            What does all this have to do with the topic at hand? Nacho is hoping Cotto doesn't win because he couldn't beat Paq with what he had and he doesn't want to look bad, though, he looked pretty ****ty with how he brought along De La Hoya. Roach even stated in an interview, can't remember where I saw it but he mention that when he was training Oscar for the Mayweather fight, that Oscar had no idea how to cut off the ring and that all he did was follow his guy around. De La Hoya had the same exact problem with Paq, and its not a problem Cotto will have no matter how fast Paq is. Cotto isn't the strongest guy out there, but he's also not the slowest. In fact, he's probably one of the faster opponents Paqs had to face. And although as I said he's not the strongest guy out there he definitely the strongest one Paq's ever had to face.

            Finally, about the KO in 6. Its not going to happen. It took Paq 11 to K.O. Diaz, he didn't K.O. De La Hoya even though he was completed drained and his KO against Hatton... who can't KO Hatton, honestly? The guy's terrible health regime in between fights caught up to him, you can't be jumping in weight like that and not expect it to have some sort of affect on you. I don't hate Paq, I respect the guy more than anything he deserved to build his name and pick his fights, he's earned it. What I am saying, however, is that look at more than just his pass 3 fights just like people should do with Cotto. A fighters career should have more bearing on his performance vs what he has done recently. Oh, and one more thing about Cotto having a weak chin... the man has never lost by getting K.O'd his corner threw in the towel against Mr. Hand Wraps. He was never hurt against Mosley, the same man who KO'd Mr. Hand Wraps and aside from Margarito fight I don't think he has ever been down at 147.
            Wow what a post and I agree with you beater of ass

            Green K

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              Originally posted by don miguel View Post
              I know you're a Cotto fan. I respect you for that. I just want to tell you that Nacho is just saying his opinion. He's not forcing you to agree with him. He may said it based on pure analysis or he may have personal motives. But he is entitled to it. Just because he said something against Cotto doesn't mean he drinks pac-man kool-aid. I agree with you that some thinks Pacquiao is invincible. But i don't think Nacho believes that Paq is invincible. He just believes that Paq will KO Cotto in 6. He certainly knows more than anyone of us in which to base his opinion. He watched Paq on the ring corner while his boxer fights Paq. Is he basing his opinion on pure analysis? We will never know. But he can't stop you to say your own opinion. Sad to say, more listens to him than to you.
              Your right he isnt drinking the kool aid BUT his opinion is very bitter.I feel he is just throwing this out here because his 2 fighters couldnt do the job to the pacman.

              Its more of a salty taste in his mouth than an actual true analysis. because a 6th round KO isnt giving Cotto that much of a chance. I feel rounds 4-10 Cotto looks the best in his fights. which is completely contrary to what Nacho believes.

              Yes anything can happen in boxing BUT Miguel Cotto shouldnt be overlooked ata ll.

              If De La Hoya can go 8 rounds dehyrated and shot than I dont know why a prime Cotto who is comfortable at welterweight cant hang in there 6.

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                Originally posted by wizard king View Post
                dude stop acting like pac is not hittable because he is. jmm,morales,diaz,hattan,dhl and mab all hit him,some were more succesful in hitting pac more then others. cotto is not slow like some i listed and moves faster then some i listed and has more pwr then some i listed. so yes cotto will hit pac i can gurateen you that,that cotto will land bombs on pac.cotto aint hattan belive that. pac will have to earn this victory against cotto. not saying pac cant win cause he can but people need stop acting like pac aint hittable.
                Nobody is not hittable. Pac can be hit. That is why i said accurately hit. Cotto can land bombs. Can he land it at the right place at the right time? I doubt it. You believe Cotto can. That's ok coz your a Cotto. I can't take that away from you. But I believe that Cotto has to be as fast and as accurate as JMM to win. If he can do that, he will win by KO. Cotto is much stronger than anybody pac has fought. I agree Cotto is not Hatton or DLH. That's why i also believe Cotto is the toughest pac opponent ever. Cotto has always a chance to put down pac if pac gets careless. But at this point, the way things are going on in Cotto's camp, I don't think he can train to be as fast and as accurate as JMM. Because of that, I favor pac on this fight. Don't have to be by KO

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                  let's not forget that Cotto is a natural south paw who fights conventional. He will switch it up if he sees he's in trouble

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                    Originally posted by don miguel View Post
                    Nobody is not hittable. Pac can be hit. That is why i said accurately hit. Cotto can land bombs. Can he land it at the right place at the right time? I doubt it. You believe Cotto can. That's ok coz your a Cotto. I can't take that away from you. But I believe that Cotto has to be as fast and as accurate as JMM to win. If he can do that, he will win by KO. Cotto is much stronger than anybody pac has fought. I agree Cotto is not Hatton or DLH. That's why i also believe Cotto is the toughest pac opponent ever. Cotto has always a chance to put down pac if pac gets careless. But at this point, the way things are going on in Cotto's camp, I don't think he can train to be as fast and as accurate as JMM. Because of that, I favor pac on this fight. Don't have to be by KO
                    Pacquiao has never faced a style that Cotto brings. You cant think just cause Marquez was the closest to beating pacquiao recently he is the only one.

                    Cotto brings enough speed to time Pacquiao and a great chin at 147 none of the top welters have been able to floor him. Pacquiao overshot his abilities and his time is up. Cottos Jab alone will make the difference in the fight.

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                      Originally posted by fightingfigs View Post
                      Pacquiao has never faced a style that Cotto brings. You cant think just cause Marquez was the closest to beating pacquiao recently he is the only one.

                      Cotto brings enough speed to time Pacquiao and a great chin at 147 none of the top welters have been able to floor him. Pacquiao overshot his abilities and his time is up. Cottos Jab alone will make the difference in the fight.
                      all you gotta know is cotto will have 10 lbs on pac on fight night. no need to talk about anything else.

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