I lost count on how many posters ive seen belittling Juan Manuel Marquez's win over Juan Diaz by stating that Nate Campbell had already beaten him. I never really knew this. Apparently everyone should take a look at their favorite fighters resume and every win better be against an undefeated fighter, or you need to reevaluate who you give credit to.
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Situations very from fighter to fighter, not all beatings are equal. If it is part of an overall trend spanning many fights, but jsut losing once every so often is no real crime. Some guys are tough for certain fighters to beat, while others are not.
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Nope, never under any circumstances whatsoever
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yes. because after the beating, they rest and train for months before fighting another challenge.Comment
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Yes, especially when they beat them in the weight class they looked most impressive in.Comment
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It's a sort of a catch 22, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.Originally posted by Zarco View Post
Records can be pampered and padded, we all know this. Sometimes it's not the record of the fighter that matters but who he has been up against and who he lost to might tale the tale a little better.
Plenty of decent fighters have lost and continued fighting on. Some became great while others became gate keepers and then there are those who retired.
Cotto has defeated more undefeated fighters than Mayweather Jr.
Floyd admitted he did not like to particulary fight undefeated fighters himself.
Floyd went around bottom feeding from ODLH's left overs and also from KT's left overs, that is no secret. Cotto also was bottom feeding from PBF's left over but Cotto was destroying them while Floyd was just taking ODLH's leftovers the distance.
This is one of the main reasons why I wanted to see PBF vs Miguel Cotto because they both had 0's on their record and now that punk ass biatch MargaCheater ruined it for the fans. I hate phuking Margacheater for that but I am glad Mosley mopped the floor with his ****** ass. I am also glad he got suspended and I hope that when he comes back, I hope he get's his ass handed to him every single time so we can all come to the conclusion that Margarito was only feared because he was using plaster and not because he was such a great puncher or boxer.Comment
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I will say that I'm a firm believer that an established great fighter (a Mayweather, Pacquiao, Hopkins, Marquez, Williams, Cotto, Pavlik, etc) never, under any circumstances, have to fight someone with 5-6 losses nowadays. If you have that many losses, you are not at the elite level anymore, regardless of how you looked in your last fight. Mayweather doesn't have to fight Margarito. He doesn't even have to fight Mosley. Nobody from 135-154 should have to fight Zab Judah. Those guys had plenty of chances and blew them.
Would we like to see those fights? Sure. But you can't duck someone with 5-6 losses because they're not going to do anything for you by beating them.Comment
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shane has only lost to 4 fighters he just lost to them more than once and his fights with oscar are contraversialOriginally posted by DiegoFuego View PostComment
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c'mon man everybody loses sometime to someone what a ****** questionOriginally posted by Zarco View PostComment
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At the end of the day the fighter across the ring is still a professional athlete even if he has a couple loses, so yeah you should get credit. Although there is a case of someone being put in against an over matched opponent. In that case what would be the point of proving what everyone already knew anyway?Comment
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