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    #11
    just give his props he fought the whos who in the lower divisions and then fought 4 fights in 4different divisions in the last 15 months against 2 lineal champs an alphabet holder and a hall of famer and won. 3 out of the 4 in devastating fasion. are you telling there was absolutely no risk in those fights. pac has never ducked a challenge and will fight the champs at welter if he had his way.

    even after he proves everyone wrong, you still find something to judge, you guys are real lame.
    Exactly, Manny would fight these guys at their own weights and would stand a chance at beating them too. So that's why I'm a little bit pissed at Roach and Arum for making a way for these justified excuses after a Manny win. I give him props for beating Hatton at 140 in a way others couldn't, but as Roach said prior to the fight, he was tailor made for Pac.

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      #12
      Originally posted by RTS View Post
      That's all I read. People discrediting Pacquiao wins saying they were easy wins.

      If you told me a year ago That Pacquiao was going to move up to lightweight and fight for a belt I would probably say alright Pacquiao will probably win but it depends on how he looks at lightweight because he never fought there.

      Then you tell me after that he's going to fight at welterweight against Oscar De La Hoya and move down to 140 to fight Ricky Hatton after.........I would call you ***in crazy. I would say both those guys KO him.

      Does anyone remember how much of a joke the De La Hoya fight was considered when it first came up? Everyone picked against Pacquiao in that fight and said he had no chance. Then he DESTROYS De La Hoya. Now people don't even consider it a good win. Pacquiao accomplished something incredible that night.

      Then the only reason Pacquiao was favored over Hatton was because he just looked so great against Oscar at a higher weight. Had he just moved up and fought Hatton after Diaz than nobody would give him a chance. Still, many thought Hatton was his real test above 135 and that he was too physical and strong for Pacquiao, would kill him to the body and all that. Pacquiao absolutely destroyed Hatton. Now people are saying Hatton was washed up, weight drained, trainer problems, blah blah blah. Hatton is 30 years old and only lost one fight, he's not washed up. Pacquiao was too fast and strong, and had a perfect game plan.

      Point is, if you told me a year ago Pacquiao was going to do this I would call you insane. So the fact that he did do it is incredible and I don't see how people can discredit him.
      That's just how it goes man. Nobody beats anyone. Actually... to be honest... Calzaghe never really did beat anyone. I'm just kidding.

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        #13
        Hatton weight drained? That's the first time I've heard that excuse. I don't believe Ricky was weight drained, more like common sense drained. Oscar was definitely not himself when he fought Manny. This is a fact acknowledged by just about everyone including Roach. Having said that, Pacquiao won those fights fair and square and both Oscar and Ricky have admitted they just lost to a better fighter. As for the "easy" aspect, the outcomes of those fights may have come easy for the Pacman but the training and preparation leading up to it was anything but.

        Anytime somone loses, there will always be fans of that fighter who will try hard to explain away the reason for the defeat. If Pacquiao loses another fight, I guarantee you there will be fans coming up with excuses. It's just what sports fans do.

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          #14
          Pacquiao is a great fighter, and no doubt already at top 50 ATG.

          But, c'mon now.

          Diaz was a nobody, you have to admit that much. He was a titleist, not a Champion. Hell, even the mummified version of "El Terrible" whipped his ass in his final fight.

          Oscar was a good win, but again, c'mon now. He's no ATG fighter himself and he's famous for losing every big fight he's ever been in. Couple that with the fact that he was severely weight drained (Even Pac's coach Freddie Roach said this in 24/7) and that's why that win is discredited.

          Hatton was a good win, with a stellar KO. I was happy to see Ricky laid out because I've been saying for a while now that he was benefitting from a **** division.

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            #15
            Originally posted by jching View Post
            The truth is though, now the dust has settled on the Pac-Hatton fight, I think Roach is actually very clever when it comes to choosing the exact opponent for Manny to look really good against.

            Roach will never let Manny fight at 147 again, as he knows he chose the only fighter, DLH, who Manny could easily beat, look really good in doing so and on paper it sounds pretty amazing.

            Choosing Hatton, although considered by some as the best fighter at 140, was again a really clever decision. Roach knew Hatton was defensively incapable, was past his best after the Mayweather loss and was someone who, again, Manny would look good beating. Roach made the prediction of a Manny win within 3 rounds, because he knew Hatton doesn't have the defensive abilities to cope with Manny's speed and would most likely underestimate his power. Although it is still an impressive win, it sounds better on paper than it actually is.

            Roach wants Manny to move on and fight the best, but won't let them anywhere near Manny at their own weights. Cotto, Mosely, Mayweather will all have to move down in weight to fight Manny, giving him an advantage. If Roach is so confident in his fighter, then why not fight them at their own weight? If he's not good enough to fight these guys, then go back down to lightweight or beat the best at light-welter.

            It's a very clever move by Roach and Arum, choosing opponents who Manny can look good against, create an advantage for Manny and give him a better chance of getting a big name on his resume. They are trying to sculpt him into the greatest fighter of all time in doing this, and so far they are succeeding.
            Of course Roach was confident with his fighter as much as Mayweather Sr. was confident Hatton will beat Pacquiao's ass. Even De La Hoya was confident he'll destroy Manny. Roach was wrong in his predictions with other fighters too.

            Now, with Roach's prediction coming true, you say he is picking fights for Manny that will make him good. It was Hatton who challenged Pacquiao to his division where he was invincible and Manny was the smaller guy. De La Hoya was the huge favorite going to his fight with Pac and majority said it was a mismatch. Was Roach so good to see what everybody didn't see including Oscar's dream team to have picked an easy fight for Manny? Did he forsee 3 months before the fight that Manny will outweigh Oscar during fight night?

            Accept it man. Manny went against the big guys when no one even imagined possible when he was just competing at 130 lbs a year ago---and destroyed them!

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              #16
              Originally posted by saksakmo View Post
              let them do the talking because the pac always delivers he always destroy his opponent not like floyd jr. who is very boring fighter of all time....very gay boxer floyd jr...and his father is a monkey like for god sake...
              That sounds pretty racist to me.

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                #17
                Originally posted by jching View Post
                The truth is though, now the dust has settled on the Pac-Hatton fight, I think Roach is actually very clever when it comes to choosing the exact opponent for Manny to look really good against.

                Roach will never let Manny fight at 147 again, as he knows he chose the only fighter, DLH, who Manny could easily beat, look really good in doing so and on paper it sounds pretty amazing.

                Choosing Hatton, although considered by some as the best fighter at 140, was again a really clever decision. Roach knew Hatton was defensively incapable, was past his best after the Mayweather loss and was someone who, again, Manny would look good beating. Roach made the prediction of a Manny win within 3 rounds, because he knew Hatton doesn't have the defensive abilities to cope with Manny's speed and would most likely underestimate his power. Although it is still an impressive win, it sounds better on paper than it actually is.

                Roach wants Manny to move on and fight the best, but won't let them anywhere near Manny at their own weights. Cotto, Mosely, Mayweather will all have to move down in weight to fight Manny, giving him an advantage. If Roach is so confident in his fighter, then why not fight them at their own weight? If he's not good enough to fight these guys, then go back down to lightweight or beat the best at light-welter.

                It's a very clever move by Roach and Arum, choosing opponents who Manny can look good against, create an advantage for Manny and give him a better chance of getting a big name on his resume. They are trying to sculpt him into the greatest fighter of all time in doing this, and so far they are succeeding.


                LMAO!!!

                That's not the song you were singing pre-Pacquiao/Hatton fight. Did you remember when you said that Ricky's too big, too strong, will do this, and that?

                Please do us a favor and stop talking out of your **** again!

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                  #18
                  here's the thing with pac..

                  he always does something that shocks everyone, but after some time, people find something to downplay his win

                  with ledwaba, ledwaba was unprepared (even though he had like two weeks notice before the fight, and his first fight at US)

                  with barrera, he caught him in a bad night (even though barrera was p4p with wins over hamed and morales)

                  with morales, cause he was shot (even though he knocked him out. twice. nobody knocks out morales, and he was NOT shot at the second fight)

                  with marquez, well, he lost both fights (even though they were close as ****, and he did knock him down four times, plus marquez' style is like kryptonite to pac's)

                  with diaz, cause diaz is a bum (even though this was pac's first fight at 135, and diaz is at least a top 5-10 lightweight at that time)

                  with delahoya, its because dlh was weight drained (even though no respectable boxing expert gave him a chance, and he like jumped two ****ing divisions)

                  with hatton, well i don't what's the excuse there, cause he is undefeated at 140, his only loss is againts mayweather. not shot. not weight drained.

                  there you go.... see the excuses? pac's resume is one of the most impressive i have seen in an active. never ducked anyone (don't say holt, campbell, guzman, or valero you ******s).

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by gopi11 View Post
                    LMAO!!!

                    That's not the song you were singing pre-Pacquiao/Hatton fight. Did you remember when you said that Ricky's too big, too strong, will do this, and that?

                    Please do us a favor and stop talking out of your **** again!
                    Dont take seriously this jfckhing. His IQ is below -100. He should bury himself in Las Vegas desert after Hatton's devastating ko.
                    Last edited by whirlwind; 05-08-2009, 09:08 AM.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by jching View Post
                      The truth is though, now the dust has settled on the Pac-Hatton fight, I think Roach is actually very clever when it comes to choosing the exact opponent for Manny to look really good against.

                      Roach will never let Manny fight at 147 again, as he knows he chose the only fighter, DLH, who Manny could easily beat, look really good in doing so and on paper it sounds pretty amazing.

                      Choosing Hatton, although considered by some as the best fighter at 140, was again a really clever decision. Roach knew Hatton was defensively incapable, was past his best after the Mayweather loss and was someone who, again, Manny would look good beating. Roach made the prediction of a Manny win within 3 rounds, because he knew Hatton doesn't have the defensive abilities to cope with Manny's speed and would most likely underestimate his power. Although it is still an impressive win, it sounds better on paper than it actually is.

                      Roach wants Manny to move on and fight the best, but won't let them anywhere near Manny at their own weights. Cotto, Mosely, Mayweather will all have to move down in weight to fight Manny, giving him an advantage. If Roach is so confident in his fighter, then why not fight them at their own weight? If he's not good enough to fight these guys, then go back down to lightweight or beat the best at light-welter.

                      It's a very clever move by Roach and Arum, choosing opponents who Manny can look good against, create an advantage for Manny and give him a better chance of getting a big name on his resume. They are trying to sculpt him into the greatest fighter of all time in doing this, and so far they are succeeding.
                      i really dont believe u anymore... after all uve said in the past... sorry man...

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