Hopkins: "Froch Can Be a Superstar By Fighting Me"

[WESS]

trust me Froch will have a good chance against B hop just remember how everybody thought hed get beat up by JT prefight, so when people say JT outboxed Froch thats bs, JT was no more than 2 rounds up going into the 12th, ( see all the press scorecards) and concidering that was his first defence being abroad , all his nerves etc he didnt do too bad going into the 12 but at the back his mind he was always going to go for a big last round he even said that he could have went for it earlier but he was worried about his first ever knockdown and lack of experience at this level, ofcourse JT beat Bhop twise and still boxed well in the froch fight, Kelly pavlik just wasnt himself against Bhop but if its at 168 froch will be stronger than kelly, froch can definitely box better than he did against JT maybe you havent seen enough of his fights

anyway the legend is gnna be 45 and still on the p4p list but his end will come soon and I reckon froch will do it

He'll have a VERY slim to none chance at beating HOP. Think for a second, how bad and ugly did Joe Calzaghe look when fighting Hop? Now think of what Hop would do to Froch who is no where near on the level of that of Joe.

But win lose or draw if he takes on these guys he will have gained another fan! I like his style of wanting to fight ANYONE and has actually came over to America and didn't hide for 10 years in his OWN back yard fighting bums to add to his undefeated unimpressive record. He does have a big mouth and maybe one day he will completely back it up. But he wont with Hop that's too big of a step for him.

Froch has will and determination with a big heart that's willing to take risks... Hop is too much of a risk, just like Dawson is too much of a risk for Hop.

That's no hate to Hop because Jones Jr, and Joe Calzaghe all have turned there head away from Dawson. He is THE MAN to beat... He's NOT the new guy, or a NO NAME fighter... he is "THE MAN" to beat as Max Kellerman stated after asking Joe Calzaghe if he wanted to fight Dawson.

Dawson is THE MAN and nobody understandably wants to take part in fighting him besides Tarver.

[Kris Silver]

Valkyrie was a great movie. You should watch it if you haven't already.



Mutual feeling bro. We do sometimes get on each others nerves but hey its all in good fun. Yet funny when you go back and think about it.......

On topic:

Most of the time when it comes to how and who I pick on winning, the key points in what I personally think have already been stated numerous times in the thread that I replied too.

IMO Kessler is still a young buck in a sense. He's prime, younger than Froch, he hasn't been in any real battles and has a lot of room for progression. Only thing Kessler doesn't have that Froch has is Heart. I think that's Froch's best attribute. but again Kessler beats Froch. Go back to the first half of him and Joe Calzaghe. Froch wont know what to do..... when Joe did....

Hopkins is just to witty and oldschool for him. Hop would outclass him and YES IMO he would beat him soundly worse than what he did to Pavlik...... easy win and pay day for Hop...

Pavlik on the other hand IMO would be the stronger guy with EVEN more heart and will than Froch. I think since he has ALREADY been in the ring with JT (twice) and HOP gives him the advantage. Pavlik's pressure I think would put them into a slugging match with Froch tasting the canvas. Neither guy would back down.... I think Pavlik coming off the canvas himself would TKO/KO him to win....

I do however see Froch getting better and maybe one day becoming something pretty solid like his mouth that wont stop talking. But right now he is very limited as we all watched in the desperate performance against JT.

I havent seen anything YET from Froch that would have me to believe that he could beat Hopkins, Kessler AND Pavlik. I see all 3 beating him badly. Kessler being the less likely of the three to do it dominantly.

Anyway i'm used to people disagreeing with me. ****, I heard it for months about how I said Pac would litterally "DESTROY" Hatton.
But im out..... be easy... Tried to green K ya but wouldnt let me.

Much better presented and backed up post dude, knew I'd get it out of ya somehow, I was more intrigued come frustrated in knowing what was leading to some of those predictions.

In short I agree Hops and Kessler beat Froch, but all of those also beat Pavlik imo, Hops did, and Froch would because I don't see glaring differences between them. Kelly's hardly way more talented, tactical, or has particular attributes to the extent that would lead to him easily beating Froch. I don't see how he'd be stronger then Froch at 166+ given his preferential weight and performances above that. That just stands in the way of logic, Froch's preference and where he's stronger is 166-170. Pavliks is 158-162 ish. Plus Froch has more heart imo too, as much as I don't like to admit it.

If Kelly has so much heart, why did he look like a surprised school boy when Taylor knocked him down harder then Taylor did Froch I might add, and why did Kelly look like a completely naive child unable to get down, dirty, and find a way inside you of trying something to win, against Hopkins? As much as I hate Froch, I don't think he'd do that, even against Hops, certainly not the extent Kelly did, no way.

Fair points about Kessler not being in the wars Froch has, absolutely right there. There's only a year between them though.

Oh and interesting points on Froch likely to do much more poorly against Hops then Calzaghe, true because they are leagues apart. However, Hops is the perfect style nitemare for Joe in not coming forwards, running, defending, countering, clinching, not getting in a fight. Those things aren't great for Froch either, but they aren't quite as much as a nitemare for him. Froch however has half the speed, coordination, combinations, tactics, boxing brain and overall talent though, so he definitely loses if Hops is careful not to get tagged.

[awas88]

He'll have a VERY slim to none chance at beating HOP. Think for a second, how bad and ugly did Joe Calzaghe look when fighting Hop? Now think of what Hop would do to Froch who is no where near on the level of that of Joe.

But win lose or draw if he takes on these guys he will have gained another fan! I like his style of wanting to fight ANYONE and has actually came over to America and didn't hide for 10 years in his OWN back yard fighting bums to add to his undefeated unimpressive record. He does have a big mouth and maybe one day he will completely back it up. But he wont with Hop that's too big of a step for him.

Froch has will and determination with a big heart that's willing to take risks... Hop is too much of a risk, just like Dawson is too much of a risk for Hop.

That's no hate to Hop because Jones Jr, and Joe Calzaghe all have turned there head away from Dawson. He is THE MAN to beat... He's NOT the new guy, or a NO NAME fighter... he is "THE MAN" to beat as Max Kellerman stated after asking Joe Calzaghe if he wanted to fight Dawson.

Dawson is THE MAN and nobody understandably wants to take part in fighting him besides Tarver.

i hear what youre saying man, to be honest av only been following boxing for a year but am addicted now but i just think people are underestimating froch and am a big fan of his, people keep saying that the guy is slow but he was only a just a fraction slower to the punch than JT if you wach that fight again, Bhop was wayy impressive against kelly but come on that clearly wasnt kellys weight, he put on fat not muscle to get up there , Bhop has to come to an end and I am sure that Froch is the guy to do it, after his last experience he wont start that slow next time.

Froch has a chance with any fighter no matter who they are (he got power heart etc), il admit calzaghe wouldnt have any trouble with him cos his handspeed is sumthing else and froch would have trouble with fighter who can get inside and have speed cos the guy needs space to pull of his punches, calzaghe would do exatly what he did to eubank back then, BUT Bhop looked fast cos kelly was just not himself man,am not dissing that masterclass cos the guy is 44 fs, but he wont get a way from froch, hes a great counter puncher but froch would get to him eventualy in the later rounds after all the pressure

[DuttyAlacrity]

A fight with Hopkins will be bad for Froch and Hopkins knows this

[MnTwins24]

lol exactly true

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

I def. don't like the fight from a Hopkins POV. Pavlik came with a whole cache of acclaim and fanfare that Froch doesn't bring, and at a point in Hopkins' career when people were speculating he was washed-up. There was a lot more glory for Hopkins in beating Pavlik in Fall '08 than there would be in beating Froch now.

The only fights that really strengthen Hopkins' ledger at this stage are Dawson or Adamek.

and Froch would because I don't see glaring differences between them.

When did this line come up, that Pavlik and Froch are alike? Chunk put it out there, too, to justify his pick of Froch over Taylor.

Pavlik is way more fundamental than Froch. They're nothing alike, and it's hilarious to see people using this lazyass comparison in place of actual reasoning when Froch fights all of a sudden.

[Mugwump]

Froch is an easy fight for nobody. Nobody.

Yes, his defence is flawed. Yes, he can be a bit slow. Yes, he does get tagged. BUT - he has the one thing that can't be taught: champion's mentality - the will to win.

Hopkins would certainly be the favourite if the match is made. But this won't be Pavlik II. Bernard won't stop him and he WILL take return fire.

[djtmal]

hopkins is garbage...i don't see how anyone allows him to continue to call out 2 divisions smaller fighters without being checked...

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

The only guy who really benefits from a win is Froch.

If he beats Hopkins, that's huge. If Hopkins beats him, not so much.

[Kris Silver]

When did this line come up, that Pavlik and Froch are alike? Chunk put it out there, too, to justify his pick of Froch over Taylor.

Pavlik is way more fundamental than Froch. They're nothing alike, and it's hilarious to see people using this lazyass comparison in place of actual reasoning when Froch fights all of a sudden.

I said they're both good pressure fighters so just saying Kelly wins using pressure is weak, and also that I don't see where Kelly is good enough, or better, in enough area's, to enough of an extent, to destroy Froch.

Not what you just said, that was you, not me.

It was quite clear, really.

Is Kelly much faster than Froch, not loads.
Is Kelly much harder hitting then Froch, not loads if at all, esp at all 166+.
Is Kelly's defence better then Frochs, not much, I don't think Nard will **** Froch as easily as he did Kelly.
Is Kelly a much more intelligent fighter, not loads, no.
Is Kelly tougher, more mentally strong, no.

Kelly does not destroy Froch I'm afraid, because Froch has a tough chin, heart, hits as hard to keep him off a lot and trouble him enough too, plus it would be at a weight more favouring Froch than Kelly.