If Mayweather is so small, why not fight JMM at 135-140?

[IMDAZED]

I always thought that floyds height was about 5' 8'' or slightly above this. If you look at hattons official site it tells us his height is 5' 7'' and floyd was a fair bit taller than him. Any1 have the correct height for the guy?

JMM is a great fighter and it takes a great fighter to even attempt what he is trying to do by fighting floyd at 147. On paper it is really next to impossible. I personally wouldnt hold it against floyd at all in taking this fight, he is after all coming back from a layoff. Anyway, im sure beating jmm at any 147 will not be a walk in the park for him although floyd is heavy favorite. I dont think jmm should be underestimated but going all the way to 147 when you think about it to fight a guy with floyds defence is a bit mad. Wasnt this kind of stuff said when pac and de la hoya was anounced?

Its what floyd does after this fight thats interesting. A mega fight with pac is great but id also like to see him take on some of his fellow "true" welters, yes i do count floyd as a welter. I think he came in a 152 fight night against de la hoya and thats not bad at all for a "true" welter.

Well said.

[Eaner0919]

Answer me this without being partial. What is the bigger size disparity, Floyd/Oscar or Floyd/JMM.

actually before you start

I am actually a fairly big Floyd fan. He and his advisor Ellerbee treat me really well and almost always grant my requests for interviews and whatnot.

and to answer your question

Floyd/Oscar easy. Oscar grew into being a very good 147/154lb fighter. He is a legit 5'10" and is not a skinny 5'10" like say Chico.

However, you are not taking into account who Mayweather and who Marquez have or are going to face

let me ask you this and since you asked me to be honest please do the same

who is the better fighter

the De La Hoya from 5-5-06

or

the Mayweather from 12-08-07?

[MaFu MoFo]

I always thought that floyds height was about 5' 8'' or slightly above this. If you look at hattons official site it tells us his height is 5' 7'' and floyd was a fair bit taller than him. Any1 have the correct height for the guy?

JMM is a great fighter and it takes a great fighter to even attempt what he is trying to do by fighting floyd at 147. On paper it is really next to impossible. I personally wouldnt hold it against floyd at all in taking this fight, he is after all coming back from a layoff. Anyway, im sure beating jmm at any 147 will not be a walk in the park for him although floyd is heavy favorite. I dont think jmm should be underestimated but going all the way to 147 when you think about it to fight a guy with floyds defence is a bit mad. Wasnt this kind of stuff said when pac and de la hoya was anounced?

Its what floyd does after this fight thats interesting. A mega fight with pac is great but id also like to see him take on some of his fellow "true" welters, yes i do count floyd as a welter. I think he came in a 152 fight night against de la hoya and thats not bad at all for a "true" welter.

Good point, let that true WW be someone like... Cotto. Then again, PBF said many times he ain't getting in business with Bob Arum, PAC will fight Cotto at a catch weight, if it is up to Bob Arum.

[Eaner0919]

You can make all the sense in the world but it ain't changing anything. Truthfully, any rational fan agrees with what you're saying. Even the irrational ones do but are hesitant to say anything which might be construed as an insult to Money May.

see here is the thing too

I never insulted Mayweather with what I ask although some of his diehard fans probably won't see it that way. I am just fair with all the fighters I like that includes PWill, Margarito et al

I am a fairly big Mayweather fan and unlike most understood what he did in 2007 when he made himself a big star.

but for his diehard fans to see nothing wrong with him doing this and using DLH as their excuse is wrong because they don't take into account what DLH did prior to his fight with Mayweather and what Mayweather did prior to his proposed fight with JMM. One fighter was solely a part time fighter fighting once a year and fought a hand picked opponent that would make him look great. The other had been on the rise and fought a fairly active pace while acclimating himself to a division one below his May 2007 opponent.

huge difference

there is also a huge difference in the manner at which both Mayweather and JMM made their ascent up the weight divisions as well that needs to be addressed

[Bhopreign]

actually before you start

I am actually a fairly big Floyd fan. He and his advisor Ellerbee treat me really well and almost always grant my requests for interviews and whatnot.

and to answer your question

Floyd/Oscar easy. Oscar grew into being a very good 147/154lb fighter. He is a legit 5'10" and is not a skinny 5'10" like say Chico.

However, you are not taking into account who Mayweather and who Marquez have or are going to face

let me ask you this and since you asked me to be honest please do the same

who is the better fighter

the De La Hoya from 5-5-06

or

the Mayweather from 12-08-07?

Not sure what that question is supposed to mean, but Id say Floyd. I suppose youre trying to infuse that Oscar wasnt prime.

[Eaner0919]

Good point, let that true WW be someone like... Cotto. Then again, PBF said many times he ain't getting in business with Bob Arum, PAC will fight Cotto at a catch weight, if it is up to Bob Arum.

nah Manny would fight a Cotto that can weigh 147 at the scales because he knows he can fight at 144-145 and be effective

[Eaner0919]

Not sure what that question is supposed to mean, but Id say Floyd. I suppose youre trying to infuse that Oscar wasnt prime.

so then if by your own admission the Floyd who fought on 12/08/07 is indeed better than the Oscar who fought on 5/5/06 then wouldn't you say the road JMM is facing may be harder than the road Mayweather faced on May 2007 considering JMM is indeed facing the better fight by your own admission?

cannot just use size in justifying this fight. While yes Mayweather fought a bigger man in Oscar, one that had been accustomed to fighting at 147/154 for quite some time, the fact that he had been a part time fighter prior to his Mayweather fight and had slowly been deteriorating in skills shows that JMM is facing a tougher fighter than Mayweather faced in his big move up

[Bhopreign]

so then if by your own admission the Floyd who fought on 12/08/07 is indeed better than the Oscar who fought on 5/5/06 then wouldn't you say the road JMM is facing may be harder than the road Mayweather faced on May 2007 considering JMM is indeed facing the better fight by your own admission?

cannot just use size in justifying this fight. While yes Mayweather fought a bigger man in Oscar, one that had been accustomed to fighting at 147/154 for quite some time, the fact that he had been a part time fighter prior to his Mayweather fight and had slowly been deteriorating in skills shows that JMM is facing a tougher fighter than Mayweather faced in his big move up

But saying one is better does not explain my reasoning. Im talking skillwise, Ive always felt Floyd was a better overall fighter than Oscar, regardless of the dates. I've also always felt that a pound 4 pound fighter should be able to go up or down at least one weight class and beat a good fighter on skill alone. If the fight does take place at 147, thats on JMM and he is looking at money moreso than anything Id imagine, but I dont think Marquez can beat Floyd at any weight so weight really isnt an issue with me.

[Burner]

Of all the people here defending the idea of "PBF vs. JMM at 145 lbs.", you are the one with the most sense on it.


1. True, true. Then again, of all the boxers that constantly call out PBF, Mayweather seems to only pay attention to the smaller or lesser opponents. None of the fighters that are considered a tough, young, skilled fighter has been able to get a shot at PBF. Taking Judah out of the equation, since 2005, all PBF fights have been agaisnt lesser opponents. What's next? He'll fight Paul Malignaggi at 154lbs. because he said his mamma was fat?

2. Partially correct, the other fighters you mentioned had been involve in fights with better quality in the opponents in recent years. No need to question their integrity trying to get a fight a done deal.

3. Calling out PBF doesn't means; "I will bend over and get fiocked in the arse." JMM should have a fair chance to beat PBF, as PBF will still have a fair chance to beat JMM at 140lbs. Or do you think that PBF "the super star" can't make 140 and still beat JMM??? I do believe that PBF will beat JMM at 140 lbs. But I would not be surprised if JMM wins.

4. IMO, 142 is the HAPPY MEDIUM.

5. We all know PBF is the MAIN EVENT, THE BIG SHOW. Still, JMM is arguably the best P4P active at the moment. Every fighters got a right, no matter their color, nationality, religion, etc... Don't tell me it is "OK" for PBF to be a **** and truely act like he is a "god" and the rest of the Boxing world should act like he pleases, no questions ask. I know you don't believe that shi-t.

6. So fight a real WW then... even though it is more interesting for PBF to fight a guy like JMM instead of a Cintron, Quintana, Collazo; but they would be a real WW opponent as a "tune-up" fight. PBF should take care of any of them (JMM, Cintron, Quintana, Collazo).



NO MATTER WHAT, the idea of PBF fighting in the WelterWeight division agaisnt a fighter that fought most of his life at 126 lbs. is SIMPLY WRONG. It is not a respectable and legit win. AT 140lbs, it's a whole completely different story.

1. Mayweather is a small guy himself...fights with him vs. Williams are almost laughable and unrealistic...Hes just trying to fight people his size....unlike the WW's who want to fight him...Heonly moved up for money not legacy.

Hatton was a good win..as was him vs. Oscar at 154...since 2005.

2. WILL COME BACK TO.

3. Yes it does.....Its just like how ODH did Floyd....and even how Pac did Hatton....

4. JMM already said he was movin up to 140 pounds.....Floyd aint weighed 140 pounds in 5 years and has been at 147 and even higher..143.5 is FAIR.

5. I seriously think its okay...JMM called him out and Floyd called his bluff.

6. All the WW's are booked except Q and Collazo and they dont deserve a big fight like JMM has been long overdue for.

[The Gambler1981]

so then if by your own admission the Floyd who fought on 12/08/07 is indeed better than the Oscar who fought on 5/5/06 then wouldn't you say the road JMM is facing may be harder than the road Mayweather faced on May 2007 considering JMM is indeed facing the better fight by your own admission?

cannot just use size in justifying this fight. While yes Mayweather fought a bigger man in Oscar, one that had been accustomed to fighting at 147/154 for quite some time, the fact that he had been a part time fighter prior to his Mayweather fight and had slowly been deteriorating in skills shows that JMM is facing a tougher fighter than Mayweather faced in his big move up

Who knows how the time off is going to effect Mayweather though. His timing was amongst his better qualities and who knows if it is all there. I do not know if JMM can really take advantage of it if the fight is at welter, but the closer the fight gets to 140 the more realistic chance JMM has and honestly I would not want to be making things more difficult then they have to be in the ring (if I was Floyd).

JMM team have made some bad decisions in the past when it comes to getting paid, but this is probably his biggest purse to date by far so I can not see how Golden Boy would let a pretty big event get away over a couple pounds (unless JMM is positive he is fighting the winner of Pac-Hatton, then it is possible he could walk away).