If Mayweather is so small, why not fight JMM at 135-140?

[Bhopreign]

here's the thing at least for me

if he is indeed coming back and wants a tune up fine no issues. He hasn't fought since Dec 2008 and wants to gauge himself. Nothing wrong with that at all in fact I would much rather have a fine tuned Mayweather fighting big money fights than one who hasn't fought in well over a year

however, if he is indeed going to fight at 147 why fight a 135lb fighter who has only fought twice at that weight? Yes yes you can point to his p4p status but unlike Floyd has maintained his p4p status while moving from 130 135 140 147 JMM just recently started moving up. You have to remember Floyd made his ascent in weight while he was still in the midst of his physical prime while JMM has made his ascent in weight in the latter portions of his physical prime. To me thats a huge difference because while he may look good at 135 in fighting Casa and Diaz whats to say he hasn't hit his physical ceiling?

add to that you are asking a man to fight a fighter at 147 and yes while he doesn't have to fight at 147 its still going to be about 10lbs higher than he has ever fought before.

question has to be asked is where people would rank JMM as a welter? While his skills could carry him through a lot of fights and fighters at some point in time he would have to overcome some signifigant size disadvantages. Mayweather has now become accustomed to being a welterweight....JMM hasn't even ventured to 140 yet

But youre speculating. When Floyd was at 130 nobody forsaw him going to welterweight and doing what he has done. JMM is about the same size as Floyd, just because he hasnt moved up yet so what. Like Floyd said he could have milked 135 for as long as he wanted, perhaps if anything JMM should get a few fights in at 140 but its on him if he decides to fight Floyd his first fight up, then you have to look at him seeing it as a money fight, which nobody has mentioned.

[BattlingNelson]

But youre speculating. When Floyd was at 130 nobody forsaw him going to welterweight and doing what he has done. JMM is about the same size as Floyd, just because he hasnt moved up yet so what. Like Floyd said he could have milked 135 for as long as he wanted, perhaps if anything JMM should get a few fights in at 140 but its on him if he decides to fight Floyd his first fight up, then you have to look at him seeing it as a money fight, which nobody has mentioned.

And what exactly has he done at WW? I LMAO when floyd-stans praise his win over Baldomir since he was the linear champion. Surely people would call me crazy if I made post like that if Kessler beat Erdei for the linear LHW title.

[IMDAZED]

But youre speculating. When Floyd was at 130 nobody forsaw him going to welterweight and doing what he has done. JMM is about the same size as Floyd, just because he hasnt moved up yet so what. Like Floyd said he could have milked 135 for as long as he wanted, perhaps if anything JMM should get a few fights in at 140 but its on him if he decides to fight Floyd his first fight up, then you have to look at him seeing it as a money fight, which nobody has mentioned.

1. Floyd began calling Oscar out in 2002 and said he would move up to 154 then. So it wasn't something no one foresaw. It was his goal. Which leads to...

2. Floyd moved up from 130 when he 25yrs old. Was at 140 at 26. 147 a couple years later.That's natural growth. How you can compare that to a Juan Manuel Marquez who moved to 130 at THIRTY-FIVE YEARS OLD is beyond me.

[Burner]

[QUOTE=boxasmash;5108129]because despite what they say he is not small anymore, he used to be but he's grown into his frame.

he cant make 135 anymore and would have trouble making 140.[/QUOTE]

This is true..he hasnt made 140 in 5 years...but I think thats the weight where he looks best.

[Bhopreign]

1. Floyd began calling Oscar out in 2002 and said he would move up to 154 then. So it wasn't something no one foresaw. It was his goal. Which leads to...

2. Floyd moved up from 130 when he 25yrs old. Was at 140 at 26. 147 a couple years later.That's natural growth. How you can compare that to a Juan Manuel Marquez who moved to 130 at THIRTY-FIVE YEARS OLD is beyond me.

Actually Floyd was seen calling Tsyzu, Oscar, and Shane out in the 90's

[IMDAZED]

Actually Floyd was seen calling Floyd and Tsyzu, Oscar, and Shane out in the 90's

Further proving the point that, yes, people could in fact foresee Floyd at welter.

[Eaner0919]

But youre speculating.

but isn't that you are doing as well? At least my speculation is built upon actual facts
Floyd was in his physical prime while moving up? I dont think that's speculation at all. He was around 25 years old when he moved to 135, 27 when he moved to 140, and 28 when he moved to 147. Is that not his physically prime years?

JMM is ending his physical prime? again seeing as how most of his (all but 5 fights) have been fought at 126 (13 of his 16 years of fighting) or below. Marquez was near 34 years old when he made the permanent move to 130 and 35 when he made his move to lightweight. For a boxer wouldn't you say thats towards the end of his physical prime?

When Floyd was at 130 nobody forsaw him going to welterweight and doing what he has done.

I dont know about all that. If memory serves me correctly he had been calling out DLH for some time so thats at least one person who thought he could.

JMM is about the same size as Floyd, just because he hasnt moved up yet so what.

see just as you say no matter what Floyd does people **** on him so too can people say that in some Floyd fan's eyes he can do no wrong.

if you see them as basically the same size, regardless of where they fought at then you are selling short the reason there are divisions on boxing.

the proper thing is for them to fight at a mutually accepted catch weight. There are twelve pounds that seperate the divisions they fight in. Considering, now this is speculation so dont go all crazy, that it is harder to move down from the weight you have been accustomed to then it is to move up then Floyd coming down to say 142 (5lbs) and having JMM move up to 142 (7lbs) seems fair don't you think?

Like Floyd said he could have milked 135 for as long as he wanted, perhaps if anything JMM should get a few fights in at 140 but its on him if he decides to fight Floyd his first fight up, then you have to look at him seeing it as a money fight, which nobody has mentioned.

of course and Floyd IMO is doing the right thing (negotiations wise) in saying if JMM wants to call him out then Mayweather should dictate the terms

but anyone who is saying this is a fair fight simply because of what they weigh AFTER they have worked to get to their contracted weight (big thing that is being overlooked in this debate) isn't giving any respect to the reasons why people fight at certain weights regardless of how much they weigh come fight time.

[Burner]

Bat this nothing more then a hate thread.

Heres why Floyd aint fighting him at 135-140 pounds.

1. JMM called out Floyd...KNOWING Floyd is a bigger name..star..fighter... and also knowing his last fight was at 147 pounds.

2. When Williams called out Calzaghe do you expect Joe to come to 160......Did you expect Adamek to come to 175 pounds to fight Hopkins????/....You did'nt.

3. To answer your sig question: Then why would he call out Floyd?...Why?...If Im a 140 pounder and I call out Cotto...do you think Cotto is goig to come to 140...**** no....He called out Pac and Mayweather...if you dont want to fight a guy who was a WW in his last fight and a guy who hasnt weighed 140 pounds in 5 years then go fight somone else. But he chose to sit at the table with Team Floyd.

4. Meeting in the middle is fine....There is nothing wrong with a catch weight...143.5 is fine..right in the middle...Hopkins-Pavlik was a catch weight...Its a part of boxing..Floyd even came off the 147 pound thing and said 143.5 is the lowest hell go....Nothing wrong with that.

5. Who is JMM to call any shots at all???...seriously vs. Floyd....cmon...This is Floyds show..the event is his comeback fight..no one will be there to see JMM.....except for diehards who will leave with their hearts broken...This is a Floyd sowcase at any weight..JMM gets stopped...Diaz hit him clean at will..Imagine him in ther with Floyd?

6. Everyone needs to stop crying..Floyd is a small WW....Thats obvious..hes actualy the smallest WW in the world/......and thats not debatable...but he has built up his body muscle wise to 147....Maybe he didnt want to come right out the gate and get that low to 140 in his comeback fight...Hell fight again....and it will be the Hatton-Pacman winner.

[DeepSleep]

People are making this much more complicated than it needs to be. Floyd is not a WW. He won't risk fighting a true WW after a 2-year layoff becuase the risk is higher than the reward. So Floyd would rather fight JMM at WW because:

A: He's a bigger name than any WW right now.
B: He's not a threat at 147
C: It would lead to a PacMan fight

Also why would Floyd fight him at 135 or 140 if he can fight at a weight where he is comfortbale and JMM is not? I don't think what he is doing is right and would prefer the fight to be at 135(), but If I was Floyd I would prolly do the same thing...

Peace Ez

[Eaner0919]

lol @ 143.5 being "right down the middle"

JMM moving 8.5 lbs
Mayweather moving down 3.5

yes thats right down the middle