Juan Baby Bull Diaz and the cut factor

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Ok fellas I am a few days late on this but I have to post this thread regardless. I saw the fight Saturday night and let me say this the fight with Rocky was entertaining and I was impressed with the way Rocky hung in there and continued going after John in the late rounds.

Diaz had me very excitied i first saw him a few years back and I could always remember him by his mother screaming loudly in the back round. I know you have heard her before yelling go get him juan yeah Juan thats it and other touts from ring side. Diaz had me ready to jump off my seat and a part of me was hoping he would finish JMM in the 3rd or 4th round. He was pushing the action and landing shots on the ropes but as Max pointed out Marquez was landing the harder clean shots. Still i was very excited and confident that Diaz would be able to win this bout if not on a stoppage then on points as he was the more aggressive and active fighter. Well this is the most case for him.

Then I saw the cut...I was like oh sh@t here we go again Nate Campbell all over again. I just knew it I could see the moxy and brash confidence that he was displaying early on just drain from his body as he whipped the blood form his eye with his glove. It was like his whole face just changed and he lost all his stregth and courage. The round ended and he went to the corner and they were talking to him and all he was saying was how bad is it how bad is it.

I will say this Juan Diaz is a very exciting fighter to watch but if he is going to be that easy to beat onc ehe gets cut then he will never reach his true potetioal. I was wondering did anyone see the fight shift so quickly as I did once he was cut?,.....Lefty

[El Chicano]

It's amazing how he fell apart in both fights after the cut. Maybe he can't stand the sight of his own blood.

[larryx]

he is similar to judah..when he's hurt he falls apart..but atleast he didnt quit though i give him credit for taking his beating like a man..so scratch that judah part

[extracurRICular]

It's amazing how he fell apart in both fights after the cut. Maybe he can't stand the sight of his own blood.

Well that's why you want to see these types of things happen early on in a career...you never know how a fighter will react to two things...one is getting cut the other is coming off the canvas after being hurt...the greats know how and can handle that and still win fights....the others...not so much...I sure hope this was a fluke on Diaz part and it's not a trend otherwise he's never going to amount to much more than what he has done up to now...great fight all aroudn though!!!

[street bully]

Ok fellas I am a few days late on this but I have to post this thread regardless. I saw the fight Saturday night and let me say this the fight with Rocky was entertaining and I was impressed with the way Rocky hung in there and continued going after John in the late rounds.

Diaz had me very excitied i first saw him a few years back and I could always remember him by his mother screaming loudly in the back round. I know you have heard her before yelling go get him juan yeah Juan thats it and other touts from ring side. Diaz had me ready to jump off my seat and a part of me was hoping he would finish JMM in the 3rd or 4th round. He was pushing the action and landing shots on the ropes but as Max pointed out Marquez was landing the harder clean shots. Still i was very excited and confident that Diaz would be able to win this bout if not on a stoppage then on points as he was the more aggressive and active fighter. Well this is the most case for him.

Then I saw the cut...I was like oh sh@t here we go again Nate Campbell all over again. I just knew it I could see the moxy and brash confidence that he was displaying early on just drain from his body as he whipped the blood form his eye with his glove. It was like his whole face just changed and he lost all his stregth and courage. The round ended and he went to the corner and they were talking to him and all he was saying was how bad is it how bad is it.

I will say this Juan Diaz is a very exciting fighter to watch but if he is going to be that easy to beat onc ehe gets cut then he will never reach his true potetioal. I was wondering did anyone see the fight shift so quickly as I did once he was cut?,.....Lefty

A lot of people have been claiming that, but I dissagree. It was more a result of the body work and all the pin point fluish shots accumilating and takign their toll. Even before the cut you could see from about the 6th round on that the tide was turning and Marquez was landing almost at will where as Dias was missing so many of his shots. The cut may have accelerated his demise, but Marquez would have knocked Diaz out regardless, there was just a disparity in class between the two fighters.

[DrewWoodside]

Ok fellas I am a few days late on this but I have to post this thread regardless. I saw the fight Saturday night and let me say this the fight with Rocky was entertaining and I was impressed with the way Rocky hung in there and continued going after John in the late rounds.

Diaz had me very excitied i first saw him a few years back and I could always remember him by his mother screaming loudly in the back round. I know you have heard her before yelling go get him juan yeah Juan thats it and other touts from ring side. Diaz had me ready to jump off my seat and a part of me was hoping he would finish JMM in the 3rd or 4th round. He was pushing the action and landing shots on the ropes but as Max pointed out Marquez was landing the harder clean shots. Still i was very excited and confident that Diaz would be able to win this bout if not on a stoppage then on points as he was the more aggressive and active fighter. Well this is the most case for him.

Then I saw the cut...I was like oh sh@t here we go again Nate Campbell all over again. I just knew it I could see the moxy and brash confidence that he was displaying early on just drain from his body as he whipped the blood form his eye with his glove. It was like his whole face just changed and he lost all his stregth and courage. The round ended and he went to the corner and they were talking to him and all he was saying was how bad is it how bad is it.

I will say this Juan Diaz is a very exciting fighter to watch but if he is going to be that easy to beat onc ehe gets cut then he will never reach his true potetioal. I was wondering did anyone see the fight shift so quickly as I did once he was cut?,.....Lefty

He folds the seconds he realizes he has a bad cut it seems. Hopefully moving forward he'll realize he has this tendency and prepare mentally not to fold. Fighters generally fight through cuts as bad or worse than what he had. I'm sure it affected his depth perception but he still shifted gears in too major a way IMO.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

he is similar to judah..when he's hurt he falls apart..but atleast he didnt quit though i give him credit for taking his beating like a man..so scratch that judah part

Whut up Larry my man. I think he is far from a quitter after he got cut this time he went after Juan Marquex even harder but he left himself open more4 and got caught. When I say fell apart I mean he lost his moxy his face looked like it was drained of all strength and cofidence. Judah is totally different....Lefty

[fcastro1]

Ok fellas I am a few days late on this but I have to post this thread regardless. I saw the fight Saturday night and let me say this the fight with Rocky was entertaining and I was impressed with the way Rocky hung in there and continued going after John in the late rounds.

Diaz had me very excitied i first saw him a few years back and I could always remember him by his mother screaming loudly in the back round. I know you have heard her before yelling go get him juan yeah Juan thats it and other touts from ring side. Diaz had me ready to jump off my seat and a part of me was hoping he would finish JMM in the 3rd or 4th round. He was pushing the action and landing shots on the ropes but as Max pointed out Marquez was landing the harder clean shots. Still i was very excited and confident that Diaz would be able to win this bout if not on a stoppage then on points as he was the more aggressive and active fighter. Well this is the most case for him.

Then I saw the cut...I was like oh sh@t here we go again Nate Campbell all over again. I just knew it I could see the moxy and brash confidence that he was displaying early on just drain from his body as he whipped the blood form his eye with his glove. It was like his whole face just changed and he lost all his stregth and courage. The round ended and he went to the corner and they were talking to him and all he was saying was how bad is it how bad is it.

I will say this Juan Diaz is a very exciting fighter to watch but if he is going to be that easy to beat onc ehe gets cut then he will never reach his true potetioal. I was wondering did anyone see the fight shift so quickly as I did once he was cut?,.....Lefty

yep i saw the shift and have been trying to explain this to other posters. diaz was winning untill he was cut. so blatant to see

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Could be the cut, could be he just fought two very good fighters. Campbell has a tough style that Diaz couldn't figure out and JMM is a legend.

I think people are counting Diaz out to soon, he can still be a force in this division because he's so young.

[larryx]

Whut up Larry my man. I think he is far from a quitter after he got cut this time he went after Juan Marquex even harder but he left himself open more4 and got caught. When I say fell apart I mean he lost his moxy his face looked like it was drained of all strength and cofidence. Judah is totally different....Lefty

what up lefty....yea thats why i said scratch the judah part..cause juan took his beating like a man..didnt hold,and didnt cry to the ref..i have huge respect for the guy