The 7 Reason's MAYWEATHER never Lost or Never Will..!!!

[MELLY-MEL...]

winning or losing really is not the issue. Daring to be great is! Something PBF has not, nor will ever do. All the gifts, and skills in the world can not give a man heart. It can't be bought, or taught. Sad, but true.

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Come stand next to your real daddy.

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[Horus]

winning or losing really is not the issue. Daring to be great is! Something PBF has not, nor will ever do. All the gifts, and skills in the world can not give a man heart. It can't be bought, or taught. Sad, but true.

Great??
Name 5 Fighters who are active that are greater than Floyd?


Name 5 fighters who are active .
who have went up 5 weight classes and won 3 lineal belts in 3 of those weight classes. Undefeated

Name 5 fighters who are active right now
Who have been p4p#1 fighter in the sport for 3 straight years

Name 5 fighters who are active who have beaten 2 undefeated top p4p fighters in the sport?

Name 5 active fighters who has had 8 title defenses in one division and 3 title defense in another.

Stop being a hater. No one in boxing today has accomplish what mayweather has. Period. If you dont mayweather is great.

I would love to see your list of current GREAT FIGHTERS

[MELLY-MEL...]

Great??
Name 5 Fighters who are active that are greater than Floyd?


Name 5 fighters who are active .
who have went up 5 weight classes and won 3 lineal belts in 3 of those weight classes. Undefeated

Name 5 fighters who are active right now
Who have been p4p#1 fighter in the sport for 3 straight years

Name 5 fighters who are active who have beaten 2 undefeated top p4p fighters in the sport?

Name 5 active fighters who has had 8 title defenses in one division and 3 title defense in another.

Stop being a hater. No one in boxing today has accomplish what mayweather has. Period. If you dont mayweather is great.

I would love to see your list of current GREAT FIGHTERS

all you do when anyone says floyd has not done as much as he could of is accuse them of hate. it's soo old, and sad! really. don't pull that childish bull**** if you expect to get anything from me. sure floyd is one of the few greats of this generation. that's your problem. greats of a generation do not compare to the top great of all time. most decent fans don't debate that floyd is one of the top in the current era, but the fact is that he could be up there with the likes of srl...etc. but he is currently not.... this is due to the fact of him not daring to be great, meeting the biggest challenges he could, enhancing his legacy, and placing himself with the atg's that are placed atop the sport. it's not a mystery, or even really all that debateable. he has not done nearly as much as he could to earn his name among the greats on the all time level. it is what it is horus. cry racism, hate, or whatever you want in order to try and justify/defend him, but it means jack. real, unbiased fans know the deal. he's a great fighter, one of the best we have had this decade, but comparing him to the true goats of the sport is incorrect. he could have been 10 time more talented than a srr, or srl, but the fact is the fella never fought the level of competition he should have if he was to be included as such.

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all you do when anyone says floyd has not done as much as he could of is accuse them of hate. it's soo old, and sad! really. don't pull that childish bull**** if you expect to get anything from me. sure floyd is one of the few greats of this generation. that's your problem. greats of a generation do not compare to the top great of all time. most decent fans don't debate that floyd is one of the top in the current era, but the fact is that he could be up there with the likes of srl...etc. but he is currently not.... this is due to the fact of him not daring to be great, meeting the biggest challenges he could, enhancing his legacy, and placing himself with the atg's that are placed atop the sport. it's not a mystery, or even really all that debateable. he has not done nearly as much as he could to earn his name among the greats on the all time level. it is what it is horus. cry racism, hate, or whatever you want in order to try and justify/defend him, but it means jack. real, unbiased fans know the deal. he's a great fighter, one of the best we have had this decade, but comparing him to the true goats of the sport is incorrect. he could have been 10 time more talented than a srr, or srl, but the fact is the fella never fought the level of competition he should have if he was to be included as such.

Boxing is a sport that has a 125 year history. It is the oldest major surviving sport.

Both Sugar Ray Robinson and Sugar Ray Leonard names were inducted into
international Boxing Hall of Fame in Canastota, New York

When you go into the HOF , it is not just the greatest fighters of all time. It is the greatest fighters who were the greatest in their time. It is a tribute to the boxers who have gone before, and to those who have strived to reach the standard their predecessors have set.

If you go International Boxing Hall of Fame website


The Inductees are that are put into the Hall of Fame are named in five categories:

• Modern (Last bout no earlier than 1943)
  
• Old-Timer (Last bout no earlier than 1893; no later than 1942)
  
• Pioneer (Last bout in or prior to 1892),
  
• Non- Participant (Those who have made contributions to the sport
  apart from roles as boxers or observers. Based upon a candidates achievements and contributions in their particular field)
  
• Observer (Print and media journalists, publishers, writers,
  historians, photographers and artists)

Fighters are judged On How they dominated their eras and where they ranked in their era.

1. Floyd didnt fight in Ali Era
2. Floyd didnt Fight in SRR Era
3. Floyd didnt fight in SRL Era

You can only fairly judge him on how he stood in his era.

And in Floyd's Era He stood of top of the Mountain the longest.
and Achieved more then anybody in his era .

You must realize that

• Floyd was a top 10 P4P Fighter in only his 2nd year turning Pro.
• Floyd won his first title at the age of 21 beating a fighter who had never lost in that division in Gerno Hernandez.
• Floyd at 24 beat A Prime, Undisputed, Best Body Puncher in boxing @ 135 in Jose Luis Castillo (Twice)
• Floyd at 23 beat a Undefeated, Prime #5 P4P fighter Diego Corrales
• Floyd Mayweather: Career Span ( 11 Years: In which 10 Years He was a champion)
• Floyd was Fighter of the year 3 years out of 11 year Career
• Floyd was p4p #1 fighter in the sport for 3 years

Like it or Not. Floyd is the best in his era.

And His name will be along side the name of Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Wilfredo Gomez,Pernell Whitaker,Lennox Lewis, Aaron Pryor, and etc

who all were the best of their era.

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Aaron Pryor once said in a interview:

How do you think a fight between Aaron Pryor vs. Floyd Mayweather would have panned out?

AP: He fights so much like me, it would have been anybody's fight because you gonna have two people who can box and punch. He'd be tryin' to box me and I'd be tryin' to punch him. You know how that goes. So it would have been a fight for me if I was fighting today.



So what does that tell you about what the greats think about Floyd...




Sugar Ray Leonard, one of the best fighters to ever step foot in a boxing ring, Said about Mayweather

• "Mayweather is the best of his time".
• "He's an amazing fighter,"
• "Very economical. It's all about the eyes. He's one of the few fighters I've ever seen, like Muhammad Ali, he watches every move his opponent makes, and capitalizes on those mistakes. That's a gift. You can't teach that. Floyd's number one this era. He's proved that, against Oscar, now against Ricky Hatton. He's fought the best fighters of his era, so that puts him up there. There's a few more fights left in Floyd, and bigger and better things to come."

Kery Davis HBO executive said about Mayweather:

• "Floyd wasn’t The Greatest of all time ,But He is the greatest of this Era."

Bernard Hopkins said about Mayweather.

• "Floyd is the best fighter in the world of this era and he showed that round after round."

When Asked:

• "Who is the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world, Hopkins or Mayweather?"

In a conversation with the Grand Rapids Press, Hopkins left no doubt as to which of them is the better fighter of their time.

• "The best fighter of our era -- my era -- is Pretty Boy Floyd," Hopkins said. "There's no doubt."

SO Like I said before No Matter what.

Floyd Mayweather is the Greatest fighter of his era and he is a ATG
first ballot Hall of Famer.

[Hopkiller]

Floyd Mayweather : The ‘Sweet Science’
Steve Coleman

For me what makes boxing the ‘Sweet Science’ is not two guys just slugging it out in a 'see who falls first' scenario. It is seeing some real skill and artistry in the ring.

In Boxing defense is not often given the credit it deserves and Floyd's defense is one of the best that I have ever seen. The only other boxers whose defense is similar in some respects is James Toney.

1. Mayweather's defense

MKey to Mayweather's defense is the fact that he is always moving as well as the rhythm,speed and smoothness of his movements, this is what makes this defense effective.

All the while his opponent is punching.
Floyd is

• rolling,
• slipping,
• pivoting at the waist,
• feinting,
• bobbing and weaving,
• constantly displaying various ‘modes’ of movement .

The rhythm of the rolling is very interesting because most opponents alternate their punches in a very predictable way, only occasionally doubling up with the same hand in the middle of flurries.


When his body is turned to his right Floyd's left shoulder usually rolls up high to deflect punches and sometimes additionally he uses his left arm to deflect punches, it depends on the angle of the punch. Shots to this left side of his body are usually deflected upward and/or in front of him. When Mayweather's body is turned to the left his right hand is held up high with his elbow tucked in, so these shots get blocked also, a few well placed body shots can get in but Floyd is already rolling after the first punch connects.

On the rare occasion where a fighter does double up with the same hand Floyd usually catches this and improvises by adjusting his rhythm with a series of 'changes of direction' in his rolling. The thing to notice is the timing, all fighters have a rhythm to their movements which can be timed by an experienced opponent after several rounds of boxing.
2.Two different overall rhythmic forms:

1. the rhythm of offensive motion
2. the rhythm of defensive motion.

There are usually two different overall rhythmic forms, what I call the set-up rhythm
(preparing to punch or waiting to counterpunch, depending on the style of the boxer)
the rhythm of offensive motion and the rhythm of defensive motion.

However Floyd, like many great boxers varies these rhythms in subtle ways that are difficult for opponents to time, and he can seamlessly flow from one rhythmic form to the next without any break in the forms. Usually the opponent is not even aware that the transition has occurred until it is too late.


3.The name of the game is not aggressiveness, it is 'effective aggressiveness'.

Most of Floyd's Opponents punches get deflected and do not do much damage. Also use up a lot of energy in the process.
It is tiring and frustrating to punch at a target that constantly making you miss.

What constantly surprises me is the ignorance of the HBO commentators Jim Lampley,and Larry Merchant They kept talking about that Floyd should stay off the ropes. Now these HBO cats have seen so many fights they should know certain techniques by now.

4.Floyd Rest on The Ropes:

First of all Floyd get's hit with very few punches when he is on the ropes. Many times during Floyd's fights Floyd would rest while letting His Opponents flail away at him, this is a calculated ploy that only works because of the nature of Floyd's defensive skills.

Sometimes Floyd lays on the ropes, sometimes he stands in the middle of the ring right in front of his opponent, in neither case opponents rarely actually connects with thier punches in significant numbers.

Floyd's sense of the flow of a fight is fantastic.

5.Staying 'in the pocket',

When Floyd stands 'in the pocket', meaning that Mayweather was so close to His Opponent that they can not get the proper leverage on their punches.
There is an optimum distance that most fighters need to execute effectively.



6.The Science of Floyd's Offense

Offensively Floyd, 'place' his shots, he is not just wasting energy throwing punches. Even when he is in these defensive stances he is looking for well placed shots in the middle of the other boxer's flurries Notice that his eyes are wide open and they are seeing everything that is happening.
With many other top fighters this is not the case.

It is a natural reflex to close your eyes when an object is coming at your face and great boxers train to counter this tendency.

In the Joel Casamayor vs. Diego Corrales fight both boxers had defensive lapses while concentrating on offensive and there were moments when both fighters closed their eyes while punching.

Shane Mosley also closed his eyes a lot and flinched when Vernon Forrest had him against the ropes.

7.The Science of Movement

Changes of speed and direction, pivoting and spinning, dipping, rocking, backpedaling, sidestepping, feinting, weaving, side-slipping, angles––all are part of a repertoire of constantly shifting balancing mannerisms designed to alter the perspective of the observer, a kind of slick motion geometry. I call these various types of counterbalancing movement techniques ‘modalities of rhythm’.

This tradition has always been passed down from master to student mainly through experiencing the ‘feel’ of these modalities as well as using analogy to pass on information. However it is the insights that are gained through these experiences and the ability to execute that creates masters.


Floyd Mayweather Has Mastered The ‘Sweet Science’

I guess Jose Luis Castillo said: the hell with all Mayweathers skills and beat him in their first fight, while the judges sold their souls. Sometimes I wonder if Mayweathers is the one posting for himself.

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I guess Jose Luis Castillo said: the hell with all Mayweathers skills and beat him in their first fight, while the judges sold their souls. Sometimes I wonder if Mayweathers is the one posting for himself.

Like I said before in this exact thread

i have seen that fight at least 10 times.
Floyd won the 1st 6 rounds Clearly
so that means no matter what Floyd was going to get a draw or a WIN...if he didnt get knockout.
no matter matter what


Some judges score Workrate
Some judges Score effective and clean punches
Some judges score ring generalship

So that means you have three different people looking for possibly three different things when they are watching the fight.

So you can say Casitllo outwork floyd for the secondhalf of the fight.
but you cant say he landed the more clean and effective punches throughout the whole fight.
and you cant say he had better ring generalship throughout the whole fight.


Floyd clearly won the first 6 rounds....
so think about that, and tell me how could casitllo could have won the fight without knocking floyd down or knocking him out.?

[MR.PLANAS]

One of the most talented fighters YES, one of the greatest NO

First of all at 130 after beating Corrales he never looked to unify with Joel Casamayor (WBA Champion) or Acelino Freitas (WBO Champion)

Never had the interest of fighting Kostya Tyszu

At 147 never fought (Mosley, Cotto, Williams or Margarito) Not even one of them.

Now let's take a look at Floyd's last ten opponents since 2002,

Victoriano Sosa
Phillip N'dou (???)
DeMarcus Corley
Henry Bruseles (???)
Arturo Gatti (The funny thing after the fight Floyd called Gatti a class C fighter, ironically after humiliating him he called him a great champ)
Sharmba Mitchell (Past his prime)
Zab Judah (After getting beaten by Carlos Baldomir, uuhhhhh Carlos "No Punch" Baldomir)
Carlos Manuel Baldomir (The worst lineal champ ever)
Oscar De La Hoya (ja,ja,ja,jaaaaa)
Ricky "I'm only good at 140" Hatton

This list is what we call hand picking my friend.

Do you really think these are challenges for a So-called P4P?

Do you realy think that these are the challenges that makes a boxer one of the greatest?

After the Castillo fights, I believe Floyd knew that one day he'll end up losing, from that day on he probably thought "I'm going to make as much money as I can without getting hurt, but I still want to be recognized as the best ever, even if I have to cry"

The funniest thing ever was to see Floyd say "You don't know about boxing" when people like Brain Kenny and Merchant had him cornered.

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One of the most talented fighters YES, one of the greatest NO

First of all at 130 after beating Corrales he never looked to unify with Joel Casamayor (WBA Champion) or Acelino Freitas (WBO Champion)

Never had the interest of fighting Kostya Tyszu

At 147 never fought (Mosley, Cotto, Williams or Margarito) Not even one of them.

Now let's take a look at Floyd's last ten opponents since 2002,

Victoriano Sosa
Phillip N'dou (???)
DeMarcus Corley
Henry Bruseles (???)
Arturo Gatti (The funny thing after the fight Floyd called Gatti a class C fighter, ironically after humiliating him he called him a great champ)
Sharmba Mitchell (Past his prime)
Zab Judah (After getting beaten by Carlos Baldomir, uuhhhhh Carlos "No Punch" Baldomir)
Carlos Manuel Baldomir (The worst lineal champ ever)
Oscar De La Hoya (ja,ja,ja,jaaaaa)
Ricky "I'm only good at 140" Hatton

This list is what we call hand picking my friend.

Do you really think these are challenges for a So-called P4P?

Do you realy think that these are the challenges that makes a boxer one of the greatest?

After the Castillo fights, I believe Floyd knew that one day he'll end up losing, from that day on he probably thought "I'm going to make as much money as I can without getting hurt, but I still want to be recognized as the best ever, even if I have to cry"

The funniest thing ever was to see Floyd say "You don't know about boxing" when people like Brain Kenny and Merchant had him cornered.

Name 5 Fighters who are active that are greater than Floyd?


Name 5 fighters who are active .
who have went up 5 weight classes and won 3 lineal belts in 3 of those weight classes. Undefeated

Name 5 fighters who are active right now
Who have been p4p#1 fighter in the sport for 3 straight years

Name 5 fighters who are active who have beaten 2 undefeated top p4p fighters in the sport?

Name 5 active fighters who has had 8 title defenses in one division and 3 title defense in another.

Stop being a hater. No one in boxing today has accomplish what mayweather has. Period. If you dont mayweather is great.

I would love to see your list of current GREAT FIGHTERS