The 7 Reason's MAYWEATHER never Lost or Never Will..!!!

[Horus]

It's likely but not guerenteed.

If he fights Pacman and beats him he would be a sure shot.

Ok, I will respect your opinion and end it here.

[mellow_mood]

See, this is why people clown you.

Shane Mosley as of right now, according to you, isn't a HOFer.


Had Floyd ever fought him, you'd be the first to be gassing up Mosley as top 5 of his era.

priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wassup man....

[boxingfan4life]

Yep every single opponent Floyd faced was a BUM.... He faced the most BUMS out of any other fighter that ever boxed...

Thr Ring ****zine, Bert Sugar, Dan Rafael and co, must be incredibly ****** for naming him p4p no1 for the last 4 years. They really MUS'NT have a clue about boxing. I think YOU should apply for a job with Ring or ESPN, seeing as you think you know more about the sport than them...

floyd has fought some good fighters but its obvious at 147 he avoided the top fighters. i see no reason why he shouldnt have fought cotto.

[Horus]

Shane Mosley as of right now, according to you, isn't a HOFer.
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To be honest I forgot shane was a welterweight since his last fight was at Jr.Middleweight....but Since he did return to Welterweight....

He is the only Hof'er there...

[boxingfan4life]

Floyd Mayweather : The ‘Sweet Science’
Steve Coleman

For me what makes boxing the ‘Sweet Science’ is not two guys just slugging it out in a 'see who falls first' scenario. It is seeing some real skill and artistry in the ring.

In Boxing defense is not often given the credit it deserves and Floyd's defense is one of the best that I have ever seen. The only other boxers whose defense is similar in some respects is James Toney.

1. Mayweather's defense


Key to Mayweather's defense is the fact that he is always moving as well as the rhythm,speed and smoothness of his movements, this is what makes this defense effective.

All the while his opponent is punching.
Floyd is

• rolling,
• slipping,
• pivoting at the waist,
• feinting,
• bobbing and weaving,
• constantly displaying various ‘modes’ of movement .

The rhythm of the rolling is very interesting because most opponents alternate their punches in a very predictable way, only occasionally doubling up with the same hand in the middle of flurries.


When his body is turned to his right Floyd's left shoulder usually rolls up high to deflect punches and sometimes additionally he uses his left arm to deflect punches, it depends on the angle of the punch. Shots to this left side of his body are usually deflected upward and/or in front of him. When Mayweather's body is turned to the left his right hand is held up high with his elbow tucked in, so these shots get blocked also, a few well placed body shots can get in but Floyd is already rolling after the first punch connects.

On the rare occasion where a fighter does double up with the same hand Floyd usually catches this and improvises by adjusting his rhythm with a series of 'changes of direction' in his rolling. The thing to notice is the timing, all fighters have a rhythm to their movements which can be timed by an experienced opponent after several rounds of boxing.
2.Two different overall rhythmic forms:

1. the rhythm of offensive motion
2. the rhythm of defensive motion.

There are usually two different overall rhythmic forms, what I call the set-up rhythm
(preparing to punch or waiting to counterpunch, depending on the style of the boxer)
the rhythm of offensive motion and the rhythm of defensive motion.

However Floyd, like many great boxers varies these rhythms in subtle ways that are difficult for opponents to time, and he can seamlessly flow from one rhythmic form to the next without any break in the forms. Usually the opponent is not even aware that the transition has occurred until it is too late.


3.The name of the game is not aggressiveness, it is 'effective aggressiveness'.

Most of Floyd's Opponents punches get deflected and do not do much damage. Also use up a lot of energy in the process.
It is tiring and frustrating to punch at a target that constantly making you miss.

What constantly surprises me is the ignorance of the HBO commentators Jim Lampley,and Larry Merchant They kept talking about that Floyd should stay off the ropes. Now these HBO cats have seen so many fights they should know certain techniques by now.

4.Floyd Rest on The Ropes:

First of all Floyd get's hit with very few punches when he is on the ropes. Many times during Floyd's fights Floyd would rest while letting His Opponents flail away at him, this is a calculated ploy that only works because of the nature of Floyd's defensive skills.

Sometimes Floyd lays on the ropes, sometimes he stands in the middle of the ring right in front of his opponent, in neither case opponents rarely actually connects with thier punches in significant numbers.

Floyd's sense of the flow of a fight is fantastic.

5.Staying 'in the pocket',

When Floyd stands 'in the pocket', meaning that Mayweather was so close to His Opponent that they can not get the proper leverage on their punches.
There is an optimum distance that most fighters need to execute effectively.



6.The Science of Floyd's Offense

Offensively Floyd, 'place' his shots, he is not just wasting energy throwing punches. Even when he is in these defensive stances he is looking for well placed shots in the middle of the other boxer's flurries Notice that his eyes are wide open and they are seeing everything that is happening.
With many other top fighters this is not the case.

It is a natural reflex to close your eyes when an object is coming at your face and great boxers train to counter this tendency.

In the Joel Casamayor vs. Diego Corrales fight both boxers had defensive lapses while concentrating on offensive and there were moments when both fighters closed their eyes while punching.

Shane Mosley also closed his eyes a lot and flinched when Vernon Forrest had him against the ropes.

7.The Science of Movement

Changes of speed and direction, pivoting and spinning, dipping, rocking, backpedaling, sidestepping, feinting, weaving, side-slipping, angles––all are part of a repertoire of constantly shifting balancing mannerisms designed to alter the perspective of the observer, a kind of slick motion geometry. I call these various types of counterbalancing movement techniques ‘modalities of rhythm’.

This tradition has always been passed down from master to student mainly through experiencing the ‘feel’ of these modalities as well as using analogy to pass on information. However it is the insights that are gained through these experiences and the ability to execute that creates masters.


Floyd Mayweather Has Mastered The ‘Sweet Science’

good analysis. but answer this. why do you think floys never fought margarito or cotto?

[Horus]

good analysis. but answer this. why do you think floys never fought margarito or cotto?

If you Search My Thread History:
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You will Find your answer In complete detail...

[Vasyl’s dad]

EL Gallo:

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sure, as soon as you reply to this post you keep avoiding.



In light of all the recent Mayweather ducked Margarito threads, i figured i post this to clear a few things up.

In the summer of 2006, Antonio Margarito confronted Floyd Mayweather in Las Vegas at a press conference and asked the self-proclaimed best fighter in history about a fight together and why Floyd was ducking and dodging Bob Arum’s hefty offers to box him. Floyd, face quivering, said the fight didn’t make business sense at the time and that in the future he would fight Margarito, “You get your shot, you get your shot,” promised Mayweather. Sitting in a chair looking up at Margarito, Floyd reached out to hold Margarito’s hand, as if the handshake on top of his word bound the promise as a deal. Mano a Mano, Floyd was promising Margarito a future fight. (See “Margarito confronts Mayweather.”)

But now we know it was a lie and Floyd is a liar. HBO is said to be very interested in making Mayweather vs. Margarito for 2008 or early 2009 but a source fairly close to Mayweather has said, on the record, Floyd vs. Margarito “will never happen. Never.”

Of course, it comes as no surprise to many boxing followers who are keen on Mayweather’s perpetual ducking and dodging of tough fights despite his contradictory and misleading public statements. Case in point, see how Mayweather vilified Margarito in the media…

“I don’t know who (Margarito) is.”

“Margarito would be easy work. If Bob shows me the money, I’ll fight anybody anywhere. If it makes dollars it makes sense.”

“(Margarito is) levels below me. I’ll punish him for being on the level he is. I’ll punish him for disrespecting my team.”

“Bob Arum is the greatest promoter in history. I love Bob Arum. I love HBO.”

“My team calls all the shots out of the ring, I call them in the ring.”

“Maybe I can fight Margarito next - if I pick his name out of the hat.”

“Who has Margarito beaten to deserve a shot at me? Once he beat two or three big names then we’ll fight.”

“Me and Margarito, we’re not fighting to prove to the boxing fans who the best is.”

“I don’t duck or dodge anybody.”

“But you got to realize this: I’m an A level, I’m an A level opponent, Oscar De La Hoya’s an A level, Floyd Mayweather’s an A level, I mean Margarito is a, he got D level fighters. He had Bob Arum, he got D level fighters. You know without, be honest, without Floyd Mayweather or Oscar De La Hoya, I mean, what is Top Rank, honestly?”

“I mean, the fight with Henry Bruseles - somebody had to give him a chance. You know, everybody gives, I mean, how will we ever know how good a person is till you give them a chance? Somebody had to give him that chance. So I gave him that chance.”

“Who is Margarito? He don’t bring **** to the table.”

“Like I said before, I grabbed boxing fans and asked who is this guy (Margarito) and they didn’t even know who he was.”

“Like I said before I beat Margarito’s ass any day of the week. If this is the fight the fans want to see so be it. Margarito don’t dictate what I do. Don’t no one know who Margarito is.”

“I have more respect for Genaro Hernandez than anybody. Because that was the start of everything. He gave me a chance. I have more respect for Genaro Hernandez than any fighter. Anybody that gives me a chance I have respect for.”

“Margarito - he’s an average fighter. Why would I be scared of him?”

“You know me I’m running my mouth a lot and I’m looking for a guy to shut me up. If you don’t shut me up I’m going to keep running my mouth. Nobody can beat me, there is no way to beat me.”

“I know when someone is tailor-made for me, that I will punish.”

“I want to beat the best out there and whoever is considered the top fighters of my era.”

“I don’t really want to talk about this guy (Margarito). Because I see things that Bob Arum does that don’t make any sense. He says I’m the best fighter in the business, I’m the best fighter since Muhammad Ali. But then he’s talking about me ducking and dodging a fighter. He kicks me out of his boxing gym, then he wants me to fight his fighter (Margarito). How can you talk about doing future business with me if you’re conducting yourself with disorderly conduct?”

“It’s a smart business decision to not fight you now but we will down the road.” (Floyd said this to Margarito’s face while holding his hand, after Margarito confronted him at the Mayorga-De La Hoya press conference in May.)

(Judah’s) already beaten. He’s beat mentally. I just have to do the physical part. I beat every fighter mentally before I beat him physically. There is no on stronger than me mentally.”

“I’m not in the game for just the money, I’m in the game to be a legend. And give the fans and media all around the world exciting fights.”

“(To the media after defeating Carlos Baldomir in Nov.) I love the sport. One more fight and I’m through. I don’t need boxing. I’m not in it for the money. It’s about legacy. I’m rich and I’ve accomplished what I want.”

“They talk about Floyd Mayweather duckin’ and dodgin’ opponents. Listen. I’m trying to fight the number one guy. If the number one guy can’t fight, then I’m fightin’ the number two guy. If I can’t fight number two, I’m fighting number three.”

“I just dish out ass whoopin’s.”

“From 154 on down I tear everyone’s ass up.”

“I don’t know who Paul Williams is. But I hear he’s a pretty good young fighter.”

Leonard Ellerbe: “Margarito has four losses, why should we fight a guy with four losses?” (A few months later Mayweather signed to fight 35-year-old Carlos Baldomir, who had NINE losses.)

So after all those denigrating words about Margarito, now we learn that Floyd will not keep his word and will “never” fight Margarito.

For well over two years it’s been suspected by a few that Mayweather was scared and frightened of Antonio Margarito. But the Floyd-loyalists refused to accept it, No man who steps in those ropes is afraid. Floyd just be waiting for it to be a big money fight. Etc.

Well, it’s a fact now. Even Roger Mayweather can’t hide or deny the truth any longer. Floyd is flat-out scared, 100% fearful of the knockout beating he will endure at the hands of Margarito. Those boxing skills are guided by a man without the heart or the courage to test those skills against a relentless ferocious brute force like Antonio Margarito. Margarito is so fearsome, Mayweather will not fight him, it’s non-negotiable. No price is high enough, nothing in the world is going to persuade Floyd to make the fight boxing fans, the media and HBO want to see most of all.

And that will be the legacy of Mayweather, a talented boxer, a multiple title-holder who ducked and dodged and feared to face the most formidable challenges of his career.

As for the inevitable comeback of Mayweather against another handpicked safe opponent, any TV network would be foolishly mistaken to pay this manufactured fraud anything close to what he demands. Negotiations should be simple, Floyd you take what we offer you. You have no leverage after so openly avoiding Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito. Your market value has severely depreciated.

There just is no public demand to see Floyd face anyone now but Margarito, the man he once vilified in the media. Oscar vs. Floyd is just a set-up exhibition between two men who fear Margarito. What would Oscar vs. Floyd II be billed as? How about “The Battle of the Chickens.”

Personally, I think Mayweather and his ducking ways should be banned from boxing. His lousy fights against handpicked opposition give boxing a bad name and if permitted to continue could do even more irreparable damage. MMA is too entertaining an option now for boxing fans to give their time and hard-earned dollars to. At this important time in boxing history, Boxing must give the fans real, competitive intriguing fights. And garbage fights like Oscar vs. Floyd II should not even be considered let alone offered to the public as first-class, five-star sporting entertainment.

If Mayweather can’t find the courage or motivation to face the greatest challenge of his career, let him stay in hiding I mean retirement.

[Vasyl’s dad]

priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wassup man....

Watching the Lakers get that revenge!

[Horus]

sure, as soon as you reply to this post you keep avoiding.

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Margarito ( What is the upside???)

Everyday I come to BoxingScene it is the same Argument from Margarito Fans..

So my Question is What Year Should Floyd Should of Fought Margarito and Why?


WHAT YEAR WOULD HAVE PRODUCE THE BIGGEST HYPE AND BIGGEST FIGHT?



And for Fun Let Give you Margarito's History

What would a Margarito fight do for a Floyd career in 2006,2007, or 2008??

In 2006

Margarito was unknown and 1 of 3 Champions in the welterweight division with 4 Loses and No Name recognition

His Best Win: Kermit Cintron and Joshua Clottey (Who Baldomir Beat)

In 2007

Margarito through great press and hanging on Floyd's coattails was considered the most feared man in boxing. and was 1 of 3 Champions in the welterweight division.

He Lost to Paul Williams in convincing fashion, as a result smashing all chances at his upcoming October fight with Miguel Cotto.

(Miguel Cotto wouldnt even fight Margarito in 2007)

Margarito is now considered another top 10 fighter in the welterweight division.

Margarito has risen his Name recognition from 2006

His Best Win: Golden Johnson

In 2008

Margarito beats up Kermit Cintron again, and through the grace of Bob Arum gets Miguel Cotto to give him chance...

Margarito Beats up Miguel Cotto.

And Now he is considered the man to beat at Welter Weight...

ONE PROBLEM: Paul Williams

Margarito Turns down 4 Million Dollars to fight Paul Williams and Instead
Fights for Shane Mosley for 2 Million

Once Again Margarito has risen his Name recognition from 2007

His Best Win: Miguel Cotto and Kermit Cintron

So after Looking at all of this what does Margarito do for Mayweather Legacy considering That Mayweather is only looking for big fights and legacy enhancing fights ?????

• Does it make Mayweather The best All time?
• Mayweather is already consider the best of his era
• Mayweather was already p4p # 1 in the sport
• Mayweather is already going into the Hall of Fame

Margarito = No Money

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HBO is not going to pay 20-35 Million for a Margarito Fight

example: Making 2 Million for the Mosley Fight
Floyd was making 3 million fighting Henry Bruseles.

Margarito = Limited Name recognition

Margarito fan base is very small
Margarito has not separated himself from the rest....

Ask yourself a question?

• How is Miguel Cotto vs. Micheal Jenning a P.P.V event!!!

But

• Margarito vs. Shane Mosely IS NOT??????

• How is Manny Pacquaio vs.David Diaz a P.P.V event

But

• Margarito vs. Shane Mosely IS NOT??????

IRONY

Why shouldnt Floyd fight Paul Williams before he fights Margarito
if he wants to fight a somebody for free basically?????

Paul Williams beat Margarito and Margarito is scared of Williams...
So If Floyd is going to fight for free why not The Man Margarito is scared of...

Paul Williams....

You Margarito fans are demanding Floyd fight Margarito
but why should he...??

NOBODY WANTS TO SEE IT..!!! IF PEOPLE want to see Margarito fight Big name fighters.....


Margarito would be headlining P.P.V's bouts on his own!!!

They is no reason why Margarito vs. Shane Mosely should not be on P.P.V.!!!!



if the fans and boxing REALLY WANT TO SEE MARGARITO FIGHT a big name fighter...!!! he would be Headling P.P.V's by now.





This is the reality.




So my Question is What Year Should Floyd Should of Fought Margarito and Why?

WHAT YEAR WOULD HAVE PRODUCE THE BIGGEST HYPE AND BIGGEST FIGHT?

IN 2006?
IN 2007?
IN 2008?
IN 2009?

[Horus]

EL Gallo:

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Ricky Hatton was a WBA welter Weight Champion am I wrong???

I didnt know you had to look impressive in winning a championship belt in order to be taken seriously as a champion...

I thought if you beat the champion for his belt then you are a champion???


By that Standard how many champions can we say are not real champions because they didnt look impressive when they won their belts???



You say Ricky Hatton is a Junior Welterweight because he fought most of his career there...

But Floyd has had 39 Fights in which 31 fights were at 135 and under.
Only 8 Fights were at 140 and up.

Ricky Hatton had more fights at 140 AND UP then Floyd did...


Both Floyd and Ricky Hatton were Welter Weight Champions.
Floyd started at 130
Ricky Started at 140

According to you Floyd and Ricky Hatton never fought any good welterweight champions.

So that leads to the Conclusion that Floyd's Run at Welterweight just like Ricky Hatton's wasnt impressive....Because they never fought anybody....


So If Floyd wasnt a impressive welterweight champion because he never fought any good welterweights....

What does a Floyd win at welterweight mean if he wasnt impressive at welterweight???

Just like you want to discredit Floyd win over Ricky Hatton because he wasnt impressive at welterweight....and a junior welter weight because he fought most of his career there....

Well Floyd fought most of his career at 135 and under...

So What does a Floyd win mean if he wasnt impressive at welterweight because he is really a light weight since he spent most of his career there???



you HYPOCRITE..!!!