The 7 Reason's MAYWEATHER never Lost or Never Will..!!!

[Horus]

Real boxing fans appreciate these things,they know Floyd is the best boxer.

The name of the sport is boxing not just slugging.Floyd is just too good and way ahead of his time.Years from now you will all reflect on how good this guy was

where u been at man

[Horus]

kostya didnt want no part if floyd. nobody in kostya's team would even thought about putting him in a ring with floyd.... that would be a ****** move, just like when gatti signed thoses contracts.

Floyd tryed to fight Kosta so many times it is not funny... but Kosta was always hurt or on a long layoff.... They wanted to fight Kosta instead of Baldomir...


"The Mayweather camp also had conversations with handlers for former junior welterweight champ Kostya Tszyu, who hasn't fought since losing his title to Ricky Hatton 14 months ago. Those talks, however, quickly died when it became apparent that Tszyu wasn't going to fight for the rest of the year."

[Vasyl’s dad]

Floyd tryed to fight Kosta so many times it is not funny... but Kosta was always hurt or on a long layoff.... They wanted to fight Kosta instead of Baldomir...


"The Mayweather camp also had conversations with handlers for former junior welterweight champ Kostya Tszyu, who hasn't fought since losing his title to Ricky Hatton 14 months ago. Those talks, however, quickly died when it became apparent that Tszyu wasn't going to fight for the rest of the year."

When is Floyd going to fight Tony, you know, the guy that made Floyd sit in his chair like a ***** when he walked up to him? The guy whos name yelled out loud had Floyd squirming in his seat with his head on a swivel?

[crillz]

Standards:
I dont understand How people constantly hold Floyd to the latter part of his career. Like His Career started in 2006..

dogz you can kick stats all you want, keep flippin those percentages, you only saying how much he landed but not against who, you fail to even menchine that ranks aside he dominated those guys because they didn't beloing in there with him, they were outclassed before they even signed the contract man.. I'll stick to the bigger picture and that is that once you reach a certain level you only supposed to fight the best, even Micheal Katsidis shows more will to fight the best of his class.. Floyd's skills speak for itself, it's obvious that Floyd is a VERY skilled fighter but it takes more than just skills to be the best, it's also about quality of opposition. Carlos Baldomir much like Oleg Maskaev were sitting ducks, guys who managed to beat flawed fighters on some right place right time ****, Judah point blank just gave the titles away in that fight cuz all he had to do is use his head and since he didn't his own ignorance cost him the fight, he literally just gift wrapped it for him and made Carlos Baldomir look like some legit Welterweight threat when he faced Floyd when we all know what happened there, we all know deep inside that regardless of titles Carlos Baldomir had NO business in the ring with someone like Floyd, it was almost effortless due to the lack of ability that Baldomir possess compared to a Shane Mosley and also he wasn't the ONLY champion available to face but he WAS the least risk for the most prize..

I understand that Boxing is about hitting and not getting hit but it's even more so about the best fighting the best, this is how we narrow down whom is the best in the world but when you have the proclaimed best fighter in the world fighting guys who can't put him to the test, push his limits and force him to prove himself it causes an imbalance, his skills are the best but his opponents aren't on his level and it's not because he's better than everyone there but because he faces the weakest champions and before he can stumble across a legit test he throws on his skates and roller blade his ass up to another weight to fight yet another outmatched opponent in a class where there are better opponents and he just happens to choose the worst of the pack. he wins a title but loses respect, do you really think people were excited about Floyd and Carlos? they already KNEW what was going to happen there and I'm SURE they would have preferred Floyd VS Mosley for NO TITLE than Floyd VS Baldomir for ALL TITLES but Floyd doesn't give a **** about what people want, he takes your money but doesn't give you what you paying for, the fights you and the world want to see..

also you can't sit here and wonder why people act like 1998-2005 didn't exist because if you applied that same logic to Joe Calzaghe he would be the best. the past is the past man and you can bring up Chico and Castillo all you want but after Castillo he hasn't faced someone worthy enough to even compete with him, it's like Castillo took his heart because after that he didn't face no one who can present a REAL threat to him, good and solid guys but far from the biggest threats in front of him. at a certain point Floyd started cherry picking his fights and it was after Castillo, he relieved himself of the responsibility fighters in his caliber have to fight the best, he became all about money and a guy like that isn't pound for pound material, using his mouth he managed to put in peoples heads that he is the best, they see him beat Gatti and since Gatti had a big name for his heart people bought it except for those who knew Boxing, he took the least threat and made him seem like his biggest accomplishment ever.

long story short man Floyd has great skills dogz no doubt about that but when you don't fight the best guys you don't deserve to be recognized as the best, the best fight the best and that's that and at 140 there were better guys and at 147 there were better guys and even at 154 and 135 there were better guys but before he could face them he leaves to face another mismatch and it's disappointing because as YOU know he didn't start off like this so for him to go out like this is just sad. it's a game that started after he beat Castillo because the Mayweather before that had balls, he seeked the better of the available opponents and beat them but then he stopped. a guy like this doesn't deserve to be the best because he has all those skills for no reason, he doesn't want to face anyone who can test them and you can tell because against Baldomir it was a pride thing, a hope to unify belts and become the recognized Welterweight champion but when it comes time to face a guy like Cotto or Mosley for their belts suddenly it's this and that and the guys he DOES face can't even tie his shoes let alone beat him.

all he had to do was face Cotto after Cotto beat Mosley, he will have been able to walk away fine, even though I think Cotto would win Floyd DEFINITELY stands the best chance at beating him and he wouldn't have had to absorb 1,000 face shots to do it, I know what he's capable of but what's it worth when he ain't doing **** with it? right now all jokes aside he could have ran threw Cotto and Mosley in 1 year and beat them both but he chose to take the easier routes, you CAN'T justify those flake ass choices with his past because he isn't following threw with it, the level of competition has only decreased so to talk about Castillo and Corrales while I'm talking about Cotto and Mosley sounds foolish, we all already know the great things Floyd has done in the past, my problem is that he hasn't followed threw, he left that determination at 135 and even there they had some guys who Floyd could have faced but he bounced before anything could happen.. basically he didn't give Cotto nor any young guy for that matter the chance that Genaro Hernandez gave him and that's foul, he decieved a lot of fans with that ****, it's to a point where I'm like **** it man Boxing is better without you, at least we ain't gotta keep reading Boxingscene articles filled with empty promises he makes day after day..

I respect warriors who come to fight and against the best, that if they end up bloodied up it's not because THEY THEMSELVES ain't **** but because the other guy was THAT good that he could do that to him, guys like Manny Pacquiao, Arthur Abraham, Vic Darchinyan, Israel Vasquez, Juan Manuel Marquez and even Glen Johnson whom has been robbed for the better part of those double digit losses he carries around, these are the men who make Boxing the gladiators sport that it is, they are the ones whom give us the best memories due to the bravery and heart they show as well as skills. you can STILL hit and not get hit against the very best if you're TRULY that good, take Juan Manuel Lopez for instance whom rocked the **** out of Ponce De Leon, the champion, and he did it effortlessly, he took no punishment and he completely outclassed a GOOD champion in his weight by effectively using better fighting methods to win, he hit and didn't get hit and did it against the best and is now rallying to keep on facing the best, take an older guy like B-Hop for instance too, you'd think he wouldn't want to fight no more at 44 but then he beats the undisputed middleweight champion of the world whom beat twice the man whom beat him twice, he aimed for the best of his choices and still won and made it look easy, Floyd could do that too and I KNOW THIS so it's disappointing to me to see him limbo his way out of the real fights and take on mismatches, Boxing doesn't need that and I don't care what he's done in the past or how many punches he's landed yo if CURRENTLY you aren't fighting real fights then you're a waist of money to the hard working fans who pay to keep Boxing alive and that's the truth..

[The_Italian]

In Boxing defense is not often given the credit it deserves and Floyd's defense is the best ever...IMO


People will not truly understand why he is considered so highly by his fans and even some critic's until he is really gone from the sport.

Horus...

I read ur threadstarting post and i agree floyd is definately the best technical boxer i've ever seen LIVE (meaning as in fighting while im alive...and im only 20 but yeah).

I think he's a hof'er easily...not going to dispute top 10 atg or whatnot that doesnt matter...he'll be remembered 25, 50, 75 years from now...end of story.



only thing i do disagree with you about is that he CAN be beat. He's a human...he's flawed...some have come close (castillo, oscar) and maybe one day he will be defeated...

even if he's defeated though it doesnt mean he's not great...it just means he's human.

floyd is one of the all time best though.

[Horus]

dogz you can kick stats all you want, keep flippin those percentages, you only saying how much he landed but not against who, you fail to even menchine that ranks aside he dominated those guys because they didn't beloing in there with him, they were outclassed before they even signed the contract man.. I'll stick to the bigger picture and that is that once you reach a certain level you only supposed to fight the best, even Micheal Katsidis shows more will to fight the best of his class.. Floyd's skills speak for itself, it's obvious that Floyd is a VERY skilled fighter but it takes more than just skills to be the best, it's also about quality of opposition. Carlos Baldomir much like Oleg Maskaev were sitting ducks, guys who managed to beat flawed fighters on some right place right time ****, Judah point blank just gave the titles away in that fight cuz all he had to do is use his head and since he didn't his own ignorance cost him the fight, he literally just gift wrapped it for him and made Carlos Baldomir look like some legit Welterweight threat when he faced Floyd when we all know what happened there, we all know deep inside that regardless of titles Carlos Baldomir had NO business in the ring with someone like Floyd, it was almost effortless due to the lack of ability that Baldomir possess compared to a Shane Mosley and also he wasn't the ONLY champion available to face but he WAS the least risk for the most prize..

I understand that Boxing is about hitting and not getting hit but it's even more so about the best fighting the best, this is how we narrow down whom is the best in the world but when you have the proclaimed best fighter in the world fighting guys who can't put him to the test, push his limits and force him to prove himself it causes an imbalance, his skills are the best but his opponents aren't on his level and it's not because he's better than everyone there but because he faces the weakest champions and before he can stumble across a legit test he throws on his skates and roller blade his ass up to another weight to fight yet another outmatched opponent in a class where there are better opponents and he just happens to choose the worst of the pack. he wins a title but loses respect, do you really think people were excited about Floyd and Carlos? they already KNEW what was going to happen there and I'm SURE they would have preferred Floyd VS Mosley for NO TITLE than Floyd VS Baldomir for ALL TITLES but Floyd doesn't give a **** about what people want, he takes your money but doesn't give you what you paying for, the fights you and the world want to see..

also you can't sit here and wonder why people act like 1998-2005 didn't exist because if you applied that same logic to Joe Calzaghe he would be the best. the past is the past man and you can bring up Chico and Castillo all you want but after Castillo he hasn't faced someone worthy enough to even compete with him, it's like Castillo took his heart because after that he didn't face no one who can present a REAL threat to him, good and solid guys but far from the biggest threats in front of him. at a certain point Floyd started cherry picking his fights and it was after Castillo, he relieved himself of the responsibility fighters in his caliber have to fight the best, he became all about money and a guy like that isn't pound for pound material, using his mouth he managed to put in peoples heads that he is the best, they see him beat Gatti and since Gatti had a big name for his heart people bought it except for those who knew Boxing, he took the least threat and made him seem like his biggest accomplishment ever.

long story short man Floyd has great skills dogz no doubt about that but when you don't fight the best guys you don't deserve to be recognized as the best, the best fight the best and that's that and at 140 there were better guys and at 147 there were better guys and even at 154 and 135 there were better guys but before he could face them he leaves to face another mismatch and it's disappointing because as YOU know he didn't start off like this so for him to go out like this is just sad. it's a game that started after he beat Castillo because the Mayweather before that had balls, he seeked the better of the available opponents and beat them but then he stopped. a guy like this doesn't deserve to be the best because he has all those skills for no reason, he doesn't want to face anyone who can test them and you can tell because against Baldomir it was a pride thing, a hope to unify belts and become the recognized Welterweight champion but when it comes time to face a guy like Cotto or Mosley for their belts suddenly it's this and that and the guys he DOES face can't even tie his shoes let alone beat him.

all he had to do was face Cotto after Cotto beat Mosley, he will have been able to walk away fine, even though I think Cotto would win Floyd DEFINITELY stands the best chance at beating him and he wouldn't have had to absorb 1,000 face shots to do it, I know what he's capable of but what's it worth when he ain't doing **** with it? right now all jokes aside he could have ran threw Cotto and Mosley in 1 year and beat them both but he chose to take the easier routes, you CAN'T justify those flake ass choices with his past because he isn't following threw with it, the level of competition has only decreased so to talk about Castillo and Corrales while I'm talking about Cotto and Mosley sounds foolish, we all already know the great things Floyd has done in the past, my problem is that he hasn't followed threw, he left that determination at 135 and even there they had some guys who Floyd could have faced but he bounced before anything could happen.. basically he didn't give Cotto nor any young guy for that matter the chance that Genaro Hernandez gave him and that's foul, he decieved a lot of fans with that ****, it's to a point where I'm like **** it man Boxing is better without you, at least we ain't gotta keep reading Boxingscene articles filled with empty promises he makes day after day..

I respect warriors who come to fight and against the best, that if they end up bloodied up it's not because THEY THEMSELVES ain't **** but because the other guy was THAT good that he could do that to him

Ok Crillz you say Floyd havent fought no competition since Castillo....
And your main problem is that he hasnt fought his biggest Possible threats...


But in the Same Post you give them indication that Standards Should be enforce for Floyds fights when you say:

Those guys didn't beloing in there with him, they were outclassed before they even signed the contract man.. I'll stick to the bigger picture and that is that once you reach a certain level you only supposed to fight the best,"
deep inside that regardless of titles Carlos Baldomir had NO business in the ring with someone like Floyd."


Ok Crillz:

Here is the Problem with your Argument about Floyd Competetion:
1. Your Argument is Completely SUBJECTIVE.

Meaning there is no foundation in your arguemnt.
When Do we reach a point where a fighter's accomplishment are Incorrigible.

Meaning:
( A Fighter is legitimate champion meaning he beat the man who was the man, then he is the champion like it or not.)

Example:

• Who was Glen Johnson before Roy Jones???
• Who was Buster Douglas Before he beat Tyson???
• Whp was Vernon Forrest before he beat Mosely???
• Who was Winky wright before he beat Mosely???

NOT

(If a Fighter is a champion and he loses in a way that you dont find credible, then he is NOT a real champion)

But Your argument is based on specific conditions which have no time limit and popular opinion.

2.Your Answer for all your Problems with Floyd competetion is Cotto????

"all he had to do was face Cotto after Cotto beat Mosley, he will have been able to walk away fine,"

First:
Is Miguel Cotto a great fighter right now or just a deserving young fighter t?

• If he is a great fighter ...why and how..?
• What champions have he beat for a belt..?
• What P4P Highly ranked fighter has he beat..?
• Cotto has never been highly ranked on the P4P List..!
• Cotto has never fought a young, prime, active, p4p fighter yet..!

Cotto is on the cusps of Greatness he is not great yet, IMO he haven't put himself in a position to be recognize as a great fighter.....

• When was the last time cotto was a not a favorite going into a fight ..??

Just Like you discredit Hatton and Judah and Baldomir...
Cotto can be discredit the same way..because
EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE SUBJECTIVE WITH THE FACTS..!!!



Second:
Was Cotto vs Mayweather be two prime GREAT fighters going up against each other OR will there be just one great fighter in that ring that night?

Was Cotto vs.Mayweather going be the same as
SRL vs. Duran or
Would Cotto be no better then Ricky Hatton if Cotto doesn't manage to make the fight competitive enough to be perceive to really challenge Floyd

Because the way it looks right now, even though there is high demand for this fight, Floyd is EXPECTED to win this fight.


And by your Standards, If Floyd is expected to win the fight.

then "Those guys didn't beloing in there with him, they were outclassed before they even signed the contract man"


CRILLZ...you see the problem:

YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT IS SUBJECTIVE...You say Floyd hasnt fought Competition before NOBODY WAS ABLE TO MAKE IT COMPETITIVE...!!!!

NOT LOOKING AT THE FACT...THAT THE GUYS FLOYD FOUGHT HAVE PRESTIGE AND STATUS AND SOME WERE CHAMPIONS "LEGITIMATELY"

[Vasyl’s dad]

Example:

• Who was Glen Johnson before Roy Jones???
• Who was Buster Douglas Before he beat Tyson???
• Whp was Vernon Forrest before he beat Mosely???
• Who was Winky wright before he beat Mosely???

You say the same crap about Tony not deserving a fight with Floyd because hes a nobody in your view.

Complete hypocrite.

[Horus]

You say the same crap about Tony not deserving a fight with Floyd because hes a nobody in your view.

Complete hypocrite.

The only reason I do that is because of People like Crillz....

Who discredit Fighters even though they are legitimate champion meaning he beat the man who was the man, then he is the champion like it or not.

See I only use Standards when Standards are been used too...
If People Didnt apply Standards like they do on Floyd...
I wouldnt used Standards like I do on other fighters....

Do you understand????

If People give credit where credit is due, then I will do the same.



Floyd fans just want floyd wins to stop gettting discredited just because they didnt meet some standard that didnt exist at the time...



Example:
PRE HATTON:

Floyd would Never Fight Ricky Hatton, Ricky Hatton is to much of a treat..!!!

Post Hatton fight:

The ricky hatton win shouldnt count because he wasnt a real threat.!!! :WTF:




So my point of view is If your going to used standards than I am going to used stamdards...

[Vasyl’s dad]

The only reason I do that is because of People like Crillz....

Who discredit Fighters even though they are legitimate champion meaning he beat the man who was the man, then he is the champion like it or not.

See I only use Standards when Standards are been used too...
If People Didnt apply Standards like they do on Floyd...
I wouldnt used Standards like I do on other fighters....

Do you understand????

If People give credit where credit is due, then I will do the same.



Floyd fans just want floyd wins to stop gettting discredited just because they didnt meet some standard that didnt exist at the time...



Example:
PRE HATTON:

Floyd would Never Fight Ricky Hatton, Ricky Hatton is to much of a treat..!!!

Post Hatton fight:

The ricky hatton win shouldnt count because he wasnt a real threat.!!! :WTF:




So my point of view is If your going to used standards than I am going to used stamdards...

Look hypocrite stanley, boxing fans, not fighter fans like yourself, hold all fighters to the same standard,

fight the best.


Ricky Hatton is jr welter who never had an impressive fight at welterweight.

Why do you keep defending your guy when he takes on less than the best opposition when he is supposedly the best fighter in the world?


When Ali talked about being the greatest, he went out and fought the best guys around. He didn't *****foot and make excuses. Win or lose, he at least tried to prove his point.

[Horus]

Is Cotto or Margarito vs Mayweather

Going to be two prime GREAT fighters going up against each other OR will there be just one great fighter in that ring that night?

Is Cotto or Margarito vs.Mayweather going be the same as SRL vs. Duran or

Would Cotto or Margarito be no better then Ricky Hatton

if Cotto or Margarito doesn't manage to make the fight competitive enough to be perceive to really challenge Floyd

WILL WE SAY FLOYD DIDNT FIGHT A REAL THREAT AGAIN BECAUSE
COTTO OR MARGARITO COULD NOT MAKE THE FIGHT COMPETITIVE..????

Because the way it looks right now, even though there is high demand for these fights, Floyd is EXPECTED to win these fight.


And by the Standards of People like Crillz and the majority of the boards,

If Floyd is expected to win the fight.then like crill says

Those guys didn't belong in there with him, they were outclassed before they even signed the contract man..,