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    #61
    Originally posted by pacman777 View Post
    to op: you are actually overestimating hatton and understimating pacquiao

    pacquiao is the stronger, faster and the better boxer. i dont see hatton beating pacquiao. reach and jabs are going to play big in this fight too, hatton is lacking both
    I think you're right about the importance of the jab for Hatton. He needs to continue to develop it to get inside on pac and rip to the body. Otherwise, I dont see him scoring much on PAC. PAC defense is very good.

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      #62
      to the person who likes fight night weights rickys perfect in ring weight according to him and kerry kays is around 153 against collazo after the weigh in he bulked up as much as he cud to make him more a welterweight but it just made him sluggish. he entered the ring around the 159 mark.
      call me clueless but i cant see hatton losing this fight , pac aint had a competitive fight since he moved up from super feather , diaz was slow and limited and oscar was weight drained to **** so he had a couple off stiffs in there that would make him look a million dollers. rickys speed and stamina is the key to winning this fight and if he can fight fight at 100mph for 12 rounds hes gonna get a clear ud or a late stoppage. the manchester mexican is gonna seek revenge for hes best friend in boxing who happens to be a big ricky hatton fan marco antonio barrera.

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        #63
        Originally posted by pacman777 View Post
        if 'logical' is what you would call it


        i dont need to give you evidence and im certainly not speculating. the guy is p4p for a reason, hatton is like the 10th. dont belittle pacquiao. give credit to where it's due
        he is giving credit where its due, ur just nut hugging a bit too tight. Im a pac man fan, but just because he thinks the hitman will win is fine. He even gives a good argument and he is giving credit wheres its due. You just cant handle the fact he thinks the hitman will win lol.

        Anyways i feel Pacmans punches are to fast and accurate when ricky goes in. Pacquiao will use his foot work to frustrate ricky and make him think twice when rushing in. Pacman has been much better at controlling his aggression which i believe is due to his age. He picks his spots and uses the right time when to pick up the pace and fight.

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          #64
          not reading all that.... but Pac will win, he can box and brawl, he'll give Ricky problems all night

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            #65
            Jabbin, head movement, Floyd Sr in his corner ain't gettin' Fatton the victory. In order for Fatton to get the win, he needs to go back to the old Ricky. That's right, Fatton needs to go back to what brought him fame.

            What am I gettin' at. Simple, watch Fatton against Tszyu. That's the key for Fatton. He doesn't need to jab, jab, jab, dip and dodge, he needs to wrestle, wrestle, wrestle and rip those vicious body shots. Jabbin' and head movement is cute, but to defeat the quicker, smaller man, ya need to wear his @ss out. See what Margarito did to Cotto.

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              #66
              Originally posted by MASGAGOMEXI View Post
              Jabbin, head movement, Floyd Sr in his corner ain't gettin' Fatton the victory. In order for Fatton to get the win, he needs to go back to the old Ricky. That's right, Fatton needs to go back to what brought him fame.

              What am I gettin' at. Simple, watch Fatton against Tszyu. That's the key for Fatton. He doesn't need to jab, jab, jab, dip and dodge, he needs to wrestle, wrestle, wrestle and rip those vicious body shots. Jabbin' and head movement is cute, but to defeat the quicker, smaller man, ya need to wear his @ss out. See what Margarito did to Cotto.
              Do you honestly think Hatton would be able to take type of punches Margarito did?

              Hatton needs to be quick on his feet, not stay in range of Pacquiao too often, and smother, out work and out muscle the smaller man on the inside. Hatton has to make it an ugly fight like he did with Tszyu, but he does have to be more elusive than he's been in the past.

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                #67
                Originally posted by deliveryman View Post
                Calling it right now, it will be the upset of 2009.

                I know Hatton struggles with southpaws, is easy to hit at times due to being overly ambitious, and seems susceptable to being rocked more than a rocking chair, but hey call me crazy.

                I think a lot of people are really underestimating Ricky Hatton, and really overrating Pacquiao's victory over Oscar. Don't get me wrong, I think it was a great win for Manny, he was absolutely sensational, it just would of been nice to see a fresh Oscar in there. Weight drained or not, it's very apparent Oscar has officially gotten old. It's unfortunate, but sometimes fighters get old overnight, it's happened to countless of fighters. Although past his prime, against Mayweather, Mayorga, etc, Oscar still had that spark in his step and was still a very formible opponent for everyone. In 2006, 2007, Oscar was easily the best at 154. He was undoubtedly better than Karmazin, Ouma or Spinks (the top dogs at 154 at the time). In the Pacquiao fight it was blatently apparent Oscar no longer had that spark in his step.

                Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

                I think Hatton's going to have to give the performance of his life, he's going to have to give it everything he's got, commiting 120% of himself, and if he does that, I can assure you, that Hatton is a very live underdog. What people forget is that Hatton very fast on his feet, and Manny doesn't fight going backwards.

                If Ricky is able with the new and improved head movement / defense contingent on Mr. Mayweather's training, I think he will be able to get on the inside often enough against Manny to really score some points. Despite looking good at 147, I really don't think Manny will be able to out muscle Hatton on the inside. In fact, I think Hatton is so much bigger and bulkier that he will be able to dominate Manny on the inside.

                An interesting thing to note is that there seems to be a lot of doubt thrown around about both Hatton's and Manny's ability to take a punch. Fans in favour of a Hatton victory tend to scrutinize that Manny really hasn't been chin tested at these weight-classes yet. I whole heartedly agree. This is the fight that will test it. It would be extremely ignorant and overly optimistic if this wasn't a major concern for Pacquiao fans. Yes Manny has improved his defense over the past few years, he seems to have better lateral and head movement than he use to. He definitely keeps his hands higher than he use to at times. However Ricky is awkward, unusually fast, deceptive and creative in the ring. He's been able to hit, and hit hard everyone he's fought, except Mayweather. Defensively, Pacquiao isn't anywhere close to Floyd. I assure you, Ricky Hatton will hit Manny Pacquiao

                To be fair to my objectivism however, it would be foolish to conclude that Hatton's chin shouldn't be a major concern of mine, or fans alike as well. Hatton is going to be hit, undoubtedly. He will eat some hard straight left hands on May 2nd. The question is, how will he handle it? Although I believe Manny has the ability and the power to KO Hatton, I think it can only be done in combinations as opposed to a single punch. Though still a good puncher, Manny has definitely lost his 1 KO power, and his fists seem to have lost their heaviness at these higher weight-classes. Sure he gave Oscar a black eye, but my 5 year old neice could've gave Oscar a black eye with the amount of punches he got hit with. Oscar didn't seem bothered by the actual power thrown behind those straight lefts (the hardest punches landed in the fight). With Hatton's quick and deceptive foot speed, and with his improved, although still not great defense, and awkward style, I really don't think he's going to be hit as often as some fans on this website think he is.

                A lot of Pacquiao fans need to acknowledge that this fight isn't going to be fought at range will Pacquiao mercfully picks Hatton apart with combination punching, like he did with a helpless, stagnant Oscar. Hatton will dart in and eat some punches in the process, but he will either force Manny to fight backwards and off his backfoot (at least we can all agree that Manny isn't at his best when fighting backwards), or he will be in Manny's chest wrestling, and smothering him all night. What I found incredulous about the Mayweather fight was how Floyd was able hold is own (and more) against Hatton on the inside. He was able to do this, because I think Floyd is a lot stronger than people give him credit for. Floyd was strong enough to wrestle with Hatton, and at times when he wanted, to push him off to create a little distance to land short punches on the inside. I don't think Pacquiao will be able to do the same, I just don't think he's naturally big or strong enough to do so, and it's because of that I think Hatton will be able for the most part, dictate the pace AND the range of which the fight is fought at.

                What makes this fight so intriguing is how will Manny be able to handle that type of pressure against someone so much stronger than he is, when he's been the one exerting the pressure his entire career.
                wanna bet?

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by a-raines21 View Post
                  wanna bet?
                  Sure, why not. 20K?

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by deliveryman View Post
                    Do you honestly think Hatton would be able to take type of punches Margarito did?

                    Hatton needs to be quick on his feet, not stay in range of Pacquiao too often, and smother, out work and out muscle the smaller man on the inside. Hatton has to make it an ugly fight like he did with Tszyu, but he does have to be more elusive than he's been in the past.
                    Do I think Hatton would be able to take the type of punches Margarito did. Um, I didn't know Fatton was fighting Miguel Cotto.

                    You took what I said too literally, of course, I would not advise any fighter to just go in recklessly against any fighter. But, my concern is that Floyd Sr's style might be what causes Fatton to get defeated against PAC.


                    I mean, a trainer simply can't change everything about a fighter. If a fighter is a slugger at heart, you've gotta let them do what they do best, slug.

                    If you look at all or most of Floyd's Sr's fighter, they all have the same style. It's alot harder to identify a Freddie Roach fighter, because Roach doesn't have a signature style, he simply has an astute mind for boxing.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by MASGAGOMEXI View Post
                      Do I think Hatton would be able to take the type of punches Margarito did. Um, I didn't know Fatton was fighting Miguel Cotto.

                      You took what I said too literally, of course, I would not advise any fighter to just go in recklessly against any fighter. But, my concern is that Floyd Sr's style might be what causes Fatton to get defeated against PAC.


                      I mean, a trainer simply can't change everything about a fighter. If a fighter is a slugger at heart, you've gotta let them do what they do best, slug.

                      If you look at all or most of Floyd's Sr's fighter, they all have the same style. It's alot harder to identify a Freddie Roach fighter, because Roach doesn't have a signature style, he simply has an astute mind for boxing.
                      I said "type of punches", not "Miguel Cotto's punches". If Pacquiao lands the type of combinations Cotto did on Margarito, and that often, I can assure you Hatton will not see the end of the fight. You're telling me you think otherwise?

                      Floyd Senior has stated many times that he does not plan on changing Ricky Hatton's style. All he wants to do is reinforce solid defensive tendencies such as head movement, slipping, and blocking. Not to mention his jab and creative ways to get inside. Hatton can retain his aggressive, smothering style, and improve his defense at the same time. Floyd Senior isn't trying to turn Ricky into his son.
                      Last edited by deliveryman; 01-01-2009, 10:31 PM.

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