De La Hoya is NOT done!!!

[RL_GMA]

If this doesn't show the sign of a shot fighter, then I don't what does...

[IMDAZED]

Let me play Devil's Advocate here and remind you guys that Oscar chose Pacquiao because he figured that would be a hell of a lot easier than fighting Margarito/Williams/Cotto or anyone around his weight class.

Now...after getting his ass handed to him by the lowest risk out there, where does he turn?

Wait, who am I kidding? Even after getting beat by yet another name fighter, he'll fight ANOTHER big name on PPV and get people to watch it even though he never wins. And I thought Zab Judah got away with ****...

[RL_GMA]

I dont think Oscar is definitely finished either but our opinions differ on the fight. Oscar simply was weight drained and had no gas in the tank. Oscar has faced faster fighters than himself before......Whittaker, Mosley, Mayweather and has acquitted himself well even when losing, though excellent boxing.

To be honest the Mosley that fought Oscar in 2000 was even faster than the Pacquiao of Saturday. Oscar showed all the hallmarks of an overtrained, weight drained fighter, just like Leonard looked against Norris or Ali against Holmes or Jones against Johnson.

That flat look, the lack of throwing punches back (particularly in the seventh), the poor reactions were not classic Oscar. Remember how he blasted back at Quartey, Vargas, Gatti and Mayorga after taking surely harder shots than Manny's. He was either weight drained or became shot overnight. My bet is weight drained!

If Oscar returns at light middle we might be suprised how much better he looks, for as long as the Pacquiao fight has not damaged him.

He's just not there anymore dude...

Why would he risk an even worse beating going to 160 with guys like Pavlik, Abraham, and now even Paul Williams just sitting there? And really, there's nobody at 154 that would constitute a big money fight with Oscar.

All his options got shot down with Pacquiao's win, and watching the way Pac won you could only imagine what Cotto or Margarito would've done even if the fight were sanctioned at 150lbs.

Oscar's had a great career with ups and downs, but realistically it's time for him to hang them up. He's in now way a Bernard Hopkins who actually made his name in his mid-30s.

[MJ406]

Let me play Devil's Advocate here and remind you guys that Oscar chose Pacquiao because he figured that would be a hell of a lot easier than fighting Margarito/Williams/Cotto or anyone around his weight class.

Now...after getting his ass handed to him by the lowest risk out there, where does he turn?

Wait, who am I kidding? Even after getting beat by yet another name fighter, he'll fight ANOTHER big name on PPV and get people to watch it even though he never wins. And I thought Zab Judah got away with ****...

yeah I see the bolded happening .. Oscar for life!

but just who'll he face? Chavez Jr. Trinidad?

[IMDAZED]

yeah I see the bolded happening .. Oscar for life!

but just who'll he face? Chavez Jr. Trinidad?

Probably. Then we'll hear how he always fights the best, yada yada.

Other fighters get an A for winning. Oscar gets it for effort.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Let me play Devil's Advocate here and remind you guys that Oscar chose Pacquiao because he figured that would be a hell of a lot easier than fighting Margarito/Williams/Cotto or anyone around his weight class.

Now...after getting his ass handed to him by the lowest risk out there, where does he turn?

Wait, who am I kidding? Even after getting beat by yet another name fighter, he'll fight ANOTHER big name on PPV and get people to watch it even though he never wins. And I thought Zab Judah got away with ****...

Dude honestly mostly bozos on here thought it was a low risk fight for him. But if you look at the facts then maybe you will see it really wasn't low risk.
Advantages

Youth; PACMAN
Speed: PACMAN (big difference)
Height: Oscar (he bends down so really not a factor)
Reach: Oscar (see above)
Ring Movement; PACMAN
Chin: Oscar (pre fight)
Weight: PACMAN (easier to go up then come down)
Reflexes; PACMAN
Reaction; PACMAN
Corner; PACMAN (roach been trainin ghim since he was in diapers also trained Osar)
Ring Experience; PACMAN (Manny has been in more tough fights recently and Oscar inactivity Roach called him a part time fighter)

So besides being supposedly the bigger man what advantages did Oscar have that made you think this was a low risk fight? Fighting the P4P best fighter in the sport. Fighting a ightening fast south paw with some pop. Fighting a true champion with the heart of a lion. Fighting a man who is in the prime of his career while you are 35 and steadily on the decline. Fighting an active boxer while you have only fought 4 times in the last 5 years. I don't see the advantage Oscar supposedly had going into this fight. If you look at my bets I was betting Oscar couldn;t KO PACMAN so yo uknow I just didn't change my opinon over night. Yes at first I thought Oscar was taking the easy way out but after thinking it over and getting oast the fact I wasn;t going to see him fight Margarito I got over it and saw the truth. We all saw the truth Saturday night....Lefty

[IMDAZED]

Dude honestly mostly bozos on here thought it was a low risk fight for him. But if you look at the facts then maybe you will see it really wasn't low risk.
Advantages

Youth; PACMAN
Speed: PACMAN (big difference)
Height: Oscar (he bends down so really not a factor)
Reach: Oscar (see above)
Ring Movement; PACMAN
Chin: Oscar (pre fight)
Weight: PACMAN (easier to go up then come down)
Reflexes; PACMAN
Reaction; PACMAN
Corner; PACMAN (roach been trainin ghim since he was in diapers also trained Osar)
Ring Experience; PACMAN (Manny has been in more tough fights recently and Oscar inactivity Roach called him a part time fighter)

So besides being supposedly the bigger man what advantages did Oscar have that made you think this was a low risk fight? Fighting the P4P best fighter in the sport. Fighting a ightening fast south paw with some pop. Fighting a true champion with the heart of a lion. Fighting a man who is in the prime of his career while you are 35 and steadily on the decline. Fighting an active boxer while you have only fought 4 times in the last 5 years. I don't see the advantage Oscar supposedly had going into this fight. If you look at my bets I was betting Oscar couldn;t KO PACMAN so yo uknow I just didn't change my opinon over night. Yes at first I thought Oscar was taking the easy way out but after thinking it over and getting oast the fact I wasn;t going to see him fight Margarito I got over it and saw the truth. We all saw the truth Saturday night....Lefty

Whatever. Bottom line is that Pacquiao wasn't even an option at first. Remember Antonio Margarito? Oscar MADE Pacquiao an option because he didn't want to face the guys in his own weight class. Period. So much so, that he even recanted his INITIAL offer to Manny and renegotiated for him . When does he ever do that?

In the end, it came back to bite him in the ass. But it doesn't change the fact he picked the lowest risk out there. End of story.

[SuckaPunch]

Dude honestly mostly bozos on here thought it was a low risk fight for him. But if you look at the facts then maybe you will see it really wasn't low risk.
Advantages

Youth; PACMAN
Speed: PACMAN (big difference)
Height: Oscar (he bends down so really not a factor)
Reach: Oscar (see above)
Ring Movement; PACMAN
Chin: Oscar (pre fight)
Weight: PACMAN (easier to go up then come down)
Reflexes; PACMAN
Reaction; PACMAN
Corner; PACMAN (roach been trainin ghim since he was in diapers also trained Osar)
Ring Experience; PACMAN (Manny has been in more tough fights recently and Oscar inactivity Roach called him a part time fighter)

So besides being supposedly the bigger man what advantages did Oscar have that made you think this was a low risk fight? Fighting the P4P best fighter in the sport. Fighting a ightening fast south paw with some pop. Fighting a true champion with the heart of a lion. Fighting a man who is in the prime of his career while you are 35 and steadily on the decline. Fighting an active boxer while you have only fought 4 times in the last 5 years. I don't see the advantage Oscar supposedly had going into this fight. If you look at my bets I was betting Oscar couldn;t KO PACMAN so yo uknow I just didn't change my opinon over night. Yes at first I thought Oscar was taking the easy way out but after thinking it over and getting oast the fact I wasn;t going to see him fight Margarito I got over it and saw the truth. We all saw the truth Saturday night....Lefty

Bro, it's very easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.

However, can you tell us honestly what were your first thoughts when you heard about this match-up?

To answer your original question, I think the weight definitely played a huge factor but there really is no telling how he'll do at 154 unless he tries again. I don't think we'll get an answer though.

[IMDAZED]

Dude honestly mostly bozos on here thought it was a low risk fight for him. But if you look at the facts then maybe you will see it really wasn't low risk.
Advantages

Youth; PACMAN
Speed: PACMAN (big difference)
Height: Oscar (he bends down so really not a factor)
Reach: Oscar (see above)
Ring Movement; PACMAN
Chin: Oscar (pre fight)
Weight: PACMAN (easier to go up then come down)
Reflexes; PACMAN
Reaction; PACMAN
Corner; PACMAN (roach been trainin ghim since he was in diapers also trained Osar)
Ring Experience; PACMAN (Manny has been in more tough fights recently and Oscar inactivity Roach called him a part time fighter)

So besides being supposedly the bigger man what advantages did Oscar have that made you think this was a low risk fight? Fighting the P4P best fighter in the sport. Fighting a ightening fast south paw with some pop. Fighting a true champion with the heart of a lion. Fighting a man who is in the prime of his career while you are 35 and steadily on the decline. Fighting an active boxer while you have only fought 4 times in the last 5 years. I don't see the advantage Oscar supposedly had going into this fight. If you look at my bets I was betting Oscar couldn;t KO PACMAN so yo uknow I just didn't change my opinon over night. Yes at first I thought Oscar was taking the easy way out but after thinking it over and getting oast the fact I wasn;t going to see him fight Margarito I got over it and saw the truth. We all saw the truth Saturday night....Lefty

He already told you what he first thought. Nothing wrong with hindsight though. But regardless, he took the supposedly easiest fight for him and it came back to bite him in the butt.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Bro, it's very easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.

However, can you tell us honestly what were your first thoughts when you heard about this match-up?

To answer your original question, I think the weight definitely played a huge factor but there really is no telling how he'll do at 154 unless he tries again. I don't think we'll get an answer though.

Gentlemne my initial reaction to him fighting Manny over marg and Cotto was the same as you. But after I got past my anger I realized it wasnt going to be an easy task forthe reason i mentioned above and I even bet on it check my sig...Lefty