Prime Hamed versus Today's PacMan

[morancito]

Let's see in 2 perspectives. If 3 knock down rule was in effect, Manny won. If that guy scored the first round like the other 2 judges as well as Harold Lederman, Manny won. So let's say he won that fight.

Or better yet, let's say he didn't. Because, you know, he actually did not win the fight.

But don't ever let facts get in the way of your making an argument.

[m00ks]

Why did he chickened out in the rematch then? I think your discrediting Pacman for flooring Marquez 3 times. Did Marquez floored Pacman? I dont think so because he does not have what it takes!

Cuz he wanted more money. But asked for too much in my opinion. He ain't afraid. He just wants to be compensated for risking his career. What's wrong with that. WTF? How am I discrediting Pacquiao for the KDs?

[Moon]

Well to be honest I think them powerpunches weren't even meant for the first round.

Interesting, really. I'm not ****tin' ya.

If Pac had not come out blazin' in the first round, I'm sure Marquez would not have either. Then Pac would have played Marquez and sprung on him later? Nah.

Pac and Roach's plan was working exactly as they wanted in the 1st Round, except that JMM was still there for the start of the 2nd. Pac and Roach knew too well that they needed to catch JMM very early before JMM got comfortable enough to realize that Pac was bringing a limited (but effective) arsenal. Unfortunately, once Marquez figured out Pac was going to keep coming with that same take-you-out move, Marquez's night was easier cause he could see the openings that Pac was offering. I say easier, because it's so true. When you get predictable, you're giving a gift to such a monster counterer and you're not going to win many rounds.

[m00ks]

Interesting, really. I'm not ****tin' ya.

If Pac had not come out blazin' in the first round, I'm sure Marquez would not have either. Then Pac would have played Marquez and sprung on him later? Nah.

Pac and Roach's plan was working exactly as they wanted in the 1st Round, except that JMM was still there for the start of the 2nd. Pac and Roach knew too well that they needed to catch JMM very early before JMM got comfortable enough to realize that Pac was brining a limited (but effective) arsenal. Unfortunately, once Marquez figured out Pac was going to keep coming with that same take-you-out move, Marquez's night was easier cause he could see the openings that Pac was offering. I say easier, because it's so true. When you get predictable, you're giving a gift to such a monster counterer and you're not going to win many rounds.

Well I mean round 1? It's like he exploded. I don't think he wouldn't have blitz a champ in the first round SPECIALLY a counterpuncher but I could be wrong. I think it was also Marquez who had his shoulders squared up and was aggressive. It was just asking for it.

Marquez backed off after that and waited. Althought it took a good 4-5 rounds I think Pac was able to adjust contrary to what some say a "blow-out" which i think is ridiculous. The later rounds we're harder to score. When you're only throwing one punch its hard to be effective though. What surprised me is that Marquez still got **** flush many times and only landing 10 more punches than Manny while teh latter only threw the straight left

[pacmanrulz]

Cuz he wanted more money. But asked for too much in my opinion. He ain't afraid. He just wants to be compensated for risking his career. What's wrong with that. WTF? How am I discrediting Pacquiao for the KDs?

If Pacman floored Marquez 3 times then he should be the one who wants the rematch the most but instead He over priced himself for not to fight! Fredie Roach also thinks Marquez does not want to fight Manny! Marquez needs the fight more. Who do you think is more bankable if you are a promoter Pacman or Marquez?

[m00ks]

If Pacman floored Marquez 3 times then he should be the one who wants the rematch the most but instead He over priced himself for not to fight! Fredie Roach also thinks Marquez does not want to fight Manny! Marquez needs the fight more. Who do you think is more bankable if you are a promoter Pacman or Marquez?

JMM wanted more money. End of discussion. He wanted 1.5 million and would have negotiated if Arum didn't turn his back on him. why would you start training in november if you fight in feb and suddenly backout?

[Moon]

I think it was also Marquez who had his shoulders squared up ..... just asking for it.

That is just plain ****in' funny.

For what it's worth, here's the way I saw the draw unfolding:

JMM Pac
1 6 10
2 9 10
3 10 9
4 9 10
5 10 9
6 10 9
7 10 9
8 9 10
9 10 9
10 9 10
11 10 9
12 10 9

I watched and wrote the scores on 12 pieces of paper and tried not to keep a running tally. That 10-6 should have won it.

[Palma]

If Hamed in his prime had faced a primed Pac I think it would have been a good and close fight. It all depends how composed Pac could stay during the entire match. hamed was famous for frustrating his opponents due to his antics in the ring. If Pac could stay as cool as MAB than I see him winning within 6 rounds

[Moon]

Fredie Roach also thinks Marquez does not want to fight Manny! Marquez needs the fight more.

Oh, now it's abundantly clearer to me, now that you say Freddie Roach agrees with you.

Marquez needs nothing. I believe it's Barrera who really needs a Pac fight, and maybe Morales might soon need a rematch with Pac too (but I very strongly doubt that). But, Marquez will have Manny someday again, and he won't have to bargain at all. It will be pretty much name-your-price. Marquez knows this, he's not a Chump, he's Champ.

Pac fans need to let go of Marquez and start thinking/yalking about Morales, who's right in front of Pac.

[dustymoo]

Hamed looked great knocking out jouneymen. When the Yanks says he was over-rated, they were right. Besides the obvious, does anyone remember how Paul Ingle was outboxing Hamed, until the 11th, when Hamed connected with a perfect short right hand?