Prime Hamed versus Today's PacMan

[Moon]

If 3 knock down rule was in effect, Manny won. If that guy scored the first round like the other 2 judges as well as Harold Lederman, Manny won. So let's say he won that fight.

Pac's credibility will not benefit from his fans "saying" he won the fight, when it was a draw. I just watched the fight for the second time yesterday and scored it 113-113. When watching it Live on HBO, I saw JMM winning it.

In that fight, Marquez never fully recovered from that first round, his bell was rung severely. If Pac is to be the dominant guy at Feather, he'll have to start taking advantage of guys who are hurt. Against Marquez, Pac showed us nothing exceptional from rounds 2 to 12 that would demonstrate greatness, except that he has speed and power when he throws his **** exactly the same way, from pretty much the same agle, following the same head movement and lunge.

Pac had his chance to "win" but deserved the "draw". JJM was the Champ going into that fight and Pac did not do enough to demonstrate that he deserves that title. Not yet anyway.

Morales will probably make the same mistakes as JJM. I think Erik still doesn't fully appreciate the power of PacMan and probably won't until Pac has put Erik's ass on the floor. But, a knockdown is not a win, as we saw with JMM. Erik is as a harder hitter that JJM and he'll likely connect as much or more than JJM, so PacMan, consider this another chance to PROVE your greatness and end all this talk of "winning".

[Moon]

Who has Hamed ever faced that was as fast as Pacquiao?

I don't think that Manny's power/speed combo would be enough against Hamed. Think about it. Hamed had as much or more power as Pac, but not the speed. But, Hamed did have cobra-like reflexes, expecially if a guy was even vaguely predictable.

Unfortunately for PacMan, he would not find Hamed to be very hittable. Hamed though would find Pac's rhythmic head movement and calculatable lunge and left hand to be very predictable. So, Hamed wouldn't need to work very hard to avoid Manny's power. Then the real problem starts for Pac, when Hamed starts countering him, with power shots, from very ****ing strange angles and then moving. Once Manny decides he needs to cover up a little bit, Hamed would have started combinations and would be easily winning rounds.

The fight might have gone the distance, because both guys would have respected each others power. But there's no way Pacman could beat Hamed in the manner that Barrera did, because Pac could never Box and Counter like Barrera. Simply put, Hamed would hit Pac more than Pac would hit Hamed. So, there's a much better chance that Hamed would get the win, either by decision, stoppage or KO. You choose.

Don't for a moment believe that Pac beats Hamed simply because Barrera beat Hamed. It doesn't work that way when you have three guys with very different styles.

By the way, I truly despise Hamed and everything that he brought to boxing. His fighting "style" was that of a school-yard bully who simply liked to beat-up people, but he was also very effective. He was and probably still is an arrogant bully, but he'd beat the more likable but limited, predictable PacMan.

[pacmanrulz]

I don't think that Manny's power/speed combo would be enough against Hamed. Think about it. Hamed had as much or more power as Pac, but not the speed. But, Hamed did have cobra-like reflexes, expecially if a guy was even vaguely predictable.

Unfortunately for PacMan, he would not find Hamed to be very hittable. Hamed though would find Pac's rhythmic head movement and calculatable lunge and left hand to be very predictable. So, Hamed wouldn't need to work very hard to avoid Manny's power. Then the real problem starts for Pac, when Hamed starts countering him, with power shots, from very ****ing strange angles and then moving. Once Manny decides he needs to cover up a little bit, Hamed would have started combinations and would be easily winning rounds.

The fight might have gone the distance, because both guys would have respected each others power. But there's no way Pacman could beat Hamed in the manner that Barrera did, because Pac could never Box and Counter like Barrera. Simply put, Hamed would hit Pac more than Pac would hit Hamed. So, there's a much better chance that Hamed would get the win, either by decision, stoppage or KO. You choose.

Don't for a moment believe that Pac beats Hamed simply because Barrera beat Hamed. It doesn't work that way when you have three guys with very different styles.

By the way, I truly despise Hamed and everything that he brought to boxing. His fighting "style" was that of a school-yard bully who simply liked to beat-up people, but he was also very effective. He was and probably still is an arrogant bully, but he'd beat the more likable but limited, predictable PacMan.

Did Hamed beat Barrera? I don't think so!

[bigdlb12]

Pac via Ko in 6 rounds

[m00ks]

Pac's credibility will not benefit from his fans "saying" he won the fight, when it was a draw. I just watched the fight for the second time yesterday and scored it 113-113. When watching it Live on HBO, I saw JMM winning it.

In that fight, Marquez never fully recovered from that first round, his bell was rung severely. If Pac is to be the dominant guy at Feather, he'll have to start taking advantage of guys who are hurt. Against Marquez, Pac showed us nothing exceptional from rounds 2 to 12 that would demonstrate greatness, except that he has speed and power when he throws his **** exactly the same way, from pretty much the same agle, following the same head movement and lunge.

Pac had his chance to "win" but deserved the "draw". JJM was the Champ going into that fight and Pac did not do enough to demonstrate that he deserves that title. Not yet anyway.

Morales will probably make the same mistakes as JJM. I think Erik still doesn't fully appreciate the power of PacMan and probably won't until Pac has put Erik's ass on the floor. But, a knockdown is not a win, as we saw with JMM. Erik is as a harder hitter that JJM and he'll likely connect as much or more than JJM, so PacMan, consider this another chance to PROVE your greatness and end all this talk of "winning".

Man you're just looking down on these two fighters right there. Pac DID try to take advantage of a guy who's hurt. THAT'S HIS BREAD AND BUTTER so if and when he sees the oppurtunity for the knock out, he'll go for the kill. IT'S HIS INSTINCT. JMM got floored once, what did Pac do? Tried to take Marquez' head off again. Floored him a second time, what did Pac do? Kept pressing. Floored him for the third time, what did Pac do? KEPT ON THE PRESSURE. If that ain't taking advantage of a guy who's hurt Munn, then you should probably tell me what is.

He fought 1-dimensional and that's what made him look bad, that's what gave him that over-used label. Amnesia spreads and people forget his previous performances. Marquez was custom made for Pac. Anyone would have a hardtime with an opponent who's counterpunching for 12 rounds out. The openings are just so much slimmer and your timing has to be flawless. That's why JMM is holding two belts. Should JMM have been put away? Sure! But Marquez WOULN'T ALLOW IT. You ain't talking about no patsy. This is a champ, and you beared witness to his heart and will. You cannot blind yourself of that fact.

Honestly **** the belts. It's the recognition and respect. He's done enough to earn both. Hey he's undefeated against the elites of a new division right? So where's the beef

March 20 Munn, you and me should have a nice lil chat...

[Moon]

Pac DID try to take advantage of a guy who's hurt. THAT'S HIS BREAD AND BUTTER so if and when he sees the oppurtunity for the knock out, he'll go for the kill.

Honestly **** the belts. It's the recognition and respect. He's done enough to earn both. Hey he's undefeated against the elites of a new division right? So where's the beef

March 20 Munn, you and me should have a nice lil chat...

MOOKS ... we'll definitely have something to talk about late March 19, because both Pac and Morales will show-up ready to represent everything that is right about boxing.

MOOKS ... you must have read something into my post that wasn't there. I'll try to improve it if a I can. Regarding "taking advantage", what I mean is that Pac must actually take advantage of a guy who's hurt, and finish him, not TRY to take advantage of a guy who's hurt.

I saw a good fighter in PacMan that night, and a much greater fighter, boxer Champ in Marquez. Not a shred of disrespect for Marquez, but Pac made that fight his to lose after the first round, and he did. That result separates JMM and Pac by a margin that is big enough to maintain JMM's Feather Champ status and also maintain Pac's status as the-guy-who-beat-Barrera. Forget pre-Barrera PacMan, fight fans know the feather scene has a place for Pac but he'll ave to go out there and get it. He had his best chance yet against JMM and put on a good show, but was not the great show neeeded to beat JMM.

[Crouching Tiger]

I enjoy reading some very nice postings here! But isn't this Hamed's thread?

[m00ks]

MOOKS ... we'll definitely have something to talk about late March 19, because both Pac and Morales will show-up ready to represent everything that is right about boxing.

MOOKS ... you must have read something into my post that wasn't there. I'll try to improve it if a I can. Regarding "taking advantage", what I mean is that Pac must actually take advantage of a guy who's hurt, and finish him, not TRY to take advantage of a guy who's hurt.

I saw a good fighter in PacMan that night, and a much greater fighter, boxer Champ in Marquez. Not a shred of disrespect for Marquez, but Pac made that fight his to lose after the first round, and he did. That result separates JMM and Pac by a margin that is big enough to maintain JMM's Feather Champ status and also maintain Pac's status as the-guy-who-beat-Barrera. Forget pre-Barrera PacMan, fight fans know the feather scene has a place for Pac but he'll ave to go out there and get it. He had his best chance yet against JMM and put on a good show, but was not the great show neeeded to beat JMM.

Well to be honest I think them powerpunches weren't even meant for the first round. I think he just got caught with a punch he didn't like. He had lot of trouble finding openings and making combinations without being countered which is why jmm's so effective. So he'd fire one shot at a time. Had Pac invested more, he would have stopped cuz your right, Marquez was hurt. I'd still put my money on a fresh Pac and Roach behind teh corner. Hope to see the rematch but heck at least we didn't lose a fight to watch.

[Moon]

Did Hamed beat Barrera? I don't think so!

Didn't say that, 'cause it didn't happen.

[pacmanrulz]

Man you're just looking down on these two fighters right there. Pac DID try to take advantage of a guy who's hurt. THAT'S HIS BREAD AND BUTTER so if and when he sees the oppurtunity for the knock out, he'll go for the kill. IT'S HIS INSTINCT. JMM got floored once, what did Pac do? Tried to take Marquez' head off again. Floored him a second time, what did Pac do? Kept pressing. Floored him for the third time, what did Pac do? KEPT ON THE PRESSURE. If that ain't taking advantage of a guy who's hurt Munn, then you should probably tell me what is.

He fought 1-dimensional and that's what made him look bad, that's what gave him that over-used label. Amnesia spreads and people forget his previous performances. Marquez was custom made for Pac. Anyone would have a hardtime with an opponent who's counterpunching for 12 rounds out. The openings are just so much slimmer and your timing has to be flawless. That's why JMM is holding two belts. Should JMM have been put away? Sure! But Marquez WOULN'T ALLOW IT. You ain't talking about no patsy. This is a champ, and you beared witness to his heart and will. You cannot blind yourself of that fact.

Honestly **** the belts. It's the recognition and respect. He's done enough to earn both. Hey he's undefeated against the elites of a new division right? So where's the beef

March 20 Munn, you and me should have a nice lil chat...

Why did he chickened out in the rematch then? I think your discrediting Pacman for flooring Marquez 3 times. Did Marquez floored Pacman? I dont think so because he does not have what it takes!