Roy Jones Jnr v Bernard Hopkins NOW!

[warp1432]

Its a toss up. They're NOTHING compared to what they used to be. STILL!! Style wise RJJ stands better chance against Calzaghe.

Style wise as in Roy has a better chance against Calzaghe then Bhop or style wise as Roy has a better chance against Calzaghe then Bhop had against Calzaghe? Because if it's the second one that's dead wrong.

[Truth]

Hehe, indeed I did my man, because I agree with a lot of what you say. Which is why I'm discussing it with you, I give a damn. I just feel on a couple of notes you may be over optimistic which I've explained. Roy is not shot he's just different and people find it hard to recognise that for what it is. Far easier to say huh, he must be finished.

Roys a terrific athlete, has better speed and tactical ability than Joe. But with Hopkins I just don't see him doing enough to trouble Hopkins. It's not easy for me to admit a Calzaghe with slightly less stamina, work rate and pressure may not have won that fight against Hopkins, but it's true. He relied on them, and Roy could not and that's the determining factor for me.

This isn't as unlikely a fight as we might think either though, they have unfinished business I think even Hops himself said once.

lmao. i definitely am that type of dude sometimes. if roy said he was going to fight him blindfolded, i'd probably say...wellll maybe if roy can't see joe thats a good thing because! lol

but in all seriousness, i don't like roy on the ropes either. But we'll see if he really lays on the ropes alot.

you might be right about hopkins over jones now, i can see what you saying. Honestly, i'm not sure about that one the more i think about it.

[WESS]

I have to say after so many view points being expressed about Roy being way past it and finished I'm slightly surprised to see so many people to favour him beating Hopkins now.

Firstly I don't think Roy is anywhere near as past it as is commonly made out. He still has immense speed (more than Calzaghe) a supreme boxing brain, is fit and somewhat adaptable.

However, being past prime suites Hopkins style way more than Roy, even given how Roys adapted to suite. Hopkins unique minimum work rate, defensive, tactical counter punching style suites an older fighter immensely. Let alone the fact he's not long coming off wins over Tarver and and close loss to the p4p #3. I also think Roys recent wins are underated, but their not as impressive as what Hopkins has shown.

Hopkins style is a nitemare for someone of Calzaghes style. And lets be realistic, Roys style isn't a million miles away from Joes. Roy would rely on his speed, and tactical ability, and whilst their both probably slightly better than Joes, not enough to win him the fight imo. This is bearing in mind Joe had a poor performance. Hopkins would spoil Roy, with Roy not able to keep the work rate to win on default, like to some extent Calzaghe did, certainly on some rounds. A Hopkins UD has to be favourite.

Hey I agree with ya for the most part.

I think many people (Calzaghe fans) are saying Hopkins can beat almost anyone now (trying to hype Joe's SD win over Hop).

The same people that claimed HOP to be OLD and would get his ass handed to him by Joe Calzaghe are the same people saying HOP will beat Kelly Pavlik and Roy Jones.

One minute he's old and should retire, the next he can beat this guy or that guy. Its funny.....

I agree with most of your points....

But over all I don't see HOP presenting enough to win against Jones. I see HOP holding a lot and Jones landing more. Sound familiar? I see your points, but I don't think Jones would let HOP spoil his game. He can adapt just as Joe did. I see it being a boring SD/UD win for Jones. as you say it by "default". Jones would have just thrown more punches......

But hey I can still see these guys fighting each other for there LAST big money fight... There is so much drama and hate that I can see these guys fighting each other one more time, maybe next year who knows......

Hop would have to agree to the 60% to the winner and 40% to the loser.

[IMDAZED]

Hey I agree with ya for the most part.

I think many people (Calzaghe fans) are saying Hopkins can beat almost anyone now (trying to hype Joe's SD win over Hop).

The same people that claimed HOP to be OLD and would get his ass handed to him by Joe Calzaghe are the same people saying HOP will beat Kelly Pavlik and Roy Jones.

One minute he's old and should retire, the next he can beat this guy or that guy. Its funny.....

I agree with most of your points....

But over all I don't see HOP presenting enough to win against Jones. I see HOP holding a lot and Jones landing more. Sound familiar? I see your points, but I don't think Jones would let HOP spoil his game. He can adapt just as Joe did. I see it being a boring SD/UD win for Jones. as you say it by "default". Jones would have just thrown more punches......

But hey I can still see these guys fighting each other for there LAST big money fight... There is so much drama and hate that I can see these guys fighting each other one more time, maybe next year who knows......

Hop would have to agree to the 60% to the winner and 40% to the loser.

It'll be very interesting to see what Hopkins has left against Pavlik. It's gonna look a lot like Calzaghe-Hopkins unless Kelly's power comes into play. He'll have to be wary his chin doesn't come into play too but, overall, he's sturdy.

Similarly, we really don't know what Roy Jones has left either. He's at that age where you lose it all in one night. Some believe it's already happened--if they're right, this fight could prove embarrassing for Roy AND Calzaghe.

Roy and Hopkins together? Only if they both lose.

[WESS]

It'll be very interesting to see what Hopkins has left against Pavlik. It's gonna look a lot like Calzaghe-Hopkins unless Kelly's power comes into play. He'll have to be wary his chin doesn't come into play too but, overall, he's sturdy.

Similarly, we really don't know what Roy Jones has left either. He's at that age where you lose it all in one night. Some believe it's already happened--if they're right, this fight could prove embarrassing for Roy AND Calzaghe.

Roy and Hopkins together? Only if they both lose.

I think Pavlik's power will be key. Its not so much his work rate or foot work its going to come down to his power. I think the consistent power shots will have HOP wore down. I don't really see PAV ko'ing him but I see Pav out working him and over all winning a UD. I like HOP too. I don't really like the fact he's fighting Pav...

About Roy. Yeah no one REALLY knows but Roy himself. But clips of Tarver 3, Handshaw and the Tito fights will prove he can fight off the ropes while taking hard shots (harder than Joe can ever throw at this point in his career) and countering solid shots and scoring and showed us good movement and solid punching when he wants too, to over all win the fights.

Anyway You know my opinion on Jones and over all it will be a great fight (Jones Calzaghe) and either way I still see Hop and Jones fighting each other in the end. Its just one of those fights that are guaranteed to happen if they want it too. They will save it for there very last fight, if it will happen.... IMO

[VanesBoxing]

we should even refrain from TALKING about these matches of HAS BEENS because next thing you know the crazy promoters see these and ACTUALLY GOD FORBID PUT THIS FIGHT TOGETHER...

wow... that would be saddd... more so than Pavlik/Hopkins... more so than Calzaghe/Jones

dudes on the crutches need to step down already... we have an amazing new school ready to take the spotlight but these guys milk the tv's and fan's money. sucks.

[MANGLER]

Roy's got more go forward in him than Hopkins and that would be the difference. Roy by close decision.

[Stickman]

Jones by easy decision after 12 rounds of making Hopkins look like a rookie. Hopkins is smart, cagey, blah, blah, but Jones, for all his downfalls, is still vastly superior athletically to Hopkins...faster, more accurate, more active, better at finding or making holes, and I think he's in better shape than Hopkins, too. Not by a great deal, but a little, and that matters.