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    #31
    Originally posted by 12boxin_C12 View Post
    considering abrahams style, pavlik by brutal 6th round ko. sorry boof but it is whut it is, the truth.
    Abraham style:
    DOES NOT WASTE PUNCHES
    TOP 3 DEFENSE in boxing
    EXCELLENT COUNTER PUNCHER
    P4P #1 POWER
    TOP 5 Chin in BOxinG
    Sorry dude, abrahams style is equal if not better for an opponent like pavlic who I love. Pavlick is gonna be in for a war. Pavlick tends to get hit a lot, relies too much on his activity trying to wear his opponents down. AA has excellent defense. Pavlick is going to get frustrated leaving himself open for an AA bomb. It all comes down to 1 thing. IF PAVLICK CAN TAKE AN AA PUNCH. I think if AA lands a bomb he WILL put Pavlick to sleep. If Pavlick can take AA's best Pavlick UD mos DEF!

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      #32
      Originally posted by deanrw View Post
      Abraham with his power, which I consider P4P as #1, is a very serious opponent for anyone from 160-168.

      The guy is for real. I am glad he wants to step up now. He is a monster and he and Pavlik will be in a murderous fight.

      Abraham is cagey and smart in the ring. He can be too economical at times which could cost him, but his offensive explosions more than make up for it.

      Whomever comes out of their fight the winner, no other opponent will want to touch.
      Dean I honestly think from a non biased view, taylor WILL give aa a tougher fight then pavlick. AA will have loss number one against taylor. styles make fights and I can see an athletic taylor frustrating aa. What do you think about calzage vs aa?

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        #33
        Interesting fight 4 sure... I give Pavlik a slight advantage over AA... because Pavlik punches straighter. Abraham at times tends to swing and with someone like Pavlik who has long arms and throws straight you shouldn't be doing that... But still only slight... cuz Abraham doesn't get into a fight if unneccessary and if he lands and at a time he will... we will see how Pav takes it... Abraham Punching Power > JT's Punching Power.

        I disagree about the skills and the Miranda fight II. Probably Miranda was softened up by Pavlik but it's not like he was beaten up for two rounds and then gave in... he was hit by about 4 or 5 real good shots and was ko'd that has nothing to do with softened up... it has something to do with punching power... or is Miranda so softened up that he has become from very good chin to chinless??? And don't forget that AA also hurt Miranda in their first fight but because of his jaw... he never really did follow up... so he also was able to hurt him even before Pavlik.

        AA in no way is untalented... you folks saw him probably once or twice and think oh well he's not active and and and... It can be only a disadvantage if it goes to the scorecards. He simply has this confidence in his power... call it ''Power Swagger'' *lol* I've never seen that in a fighter like this in a long time... I mean did you think that Tyson cared about a decision... when it comes to his confidence he reminds me so much of Aaron Pryor... not from his fighting style... but the dude was the same... went into the ring to ko ppl... he never cared about decisions... he has that confidence... if it goes to the cards against Pavlik I would favour Pavlik... but AA only talking about his punching power... all his opponents he ain't knocked out... he realized it down the stretch and did more work in the ring to win on points. He also has a decent jab if he wants to show it... Since his broken jaw... he has become more accurate... sooner he hit ppl all over their faces... finally he gets to the chin earlier...

        Sturm is one of the best boxers in the MW division... but his chin was checked from Castillejo... and even Griffin hurt him in their first fight... Sturm is not afraid he is somebody who is up for a challenge... but his promoter won't let him do it... AA punches to strong and if he lands it's lights out for Felix especially though Felix simply hasn't the power to keep Abraham at bay or hurt him

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          #34
          Originally posted by Landshark View Post
          Dean I honestly think from a non biased view, taylor WILL give aa a tougher fight then pavlick. AA will have loss number one against taylor. styles make fights and I can see an athletic taylor frustrating aa. What do you think about calzage vs aa?
          I think Pavlik is going to be tougher... JT is talented as **** but he simply doesn't get it right. JT is at his best when he can dominate a fight... everytime he did the move tactic he was getting hitted (against Pavlik as he started to move, against Winky as he started to move and and and). AA has no problem with playing defense he does it all the time... AA is also very good at timing opponents... every fight I have seen Taylor in he get's hit a lot and like I said... AA has serious power... good and competive as long as it lasts... but I think JT has not the mentally... Pav is another wood mentally... I think the Pav fight will be harder but both interesting and every fight has to be fighten... AA will probably move up to SMW because he also has troubles making that weight and he ain't looked that bad at 166 in my eyes *looooooooooooooool* so it could happen... Calzaghe won't fight him... if he fights after RJ... he fights Pavlik... and Pavlik will take him over AA... so there's also no point in AA beats Pavlik and Calzaghe goes for him...

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            #35
            Originally posted by KJB View Post
            Yeah Abraham showed everyone what he is made out of in his first fight with Miranda, I could easily see Abraham and Pavlik going the full 12 with each other. In which case I see Pavlik winning the decision, being more aggressive and throwing a lot more punches. Still it would be an amazing fight and very difficult to bet on.
            I roughly see this the same. Abrahams so un predictable, it was like he knocked Miranda out when he wanted too. He's got an oddly rare talent for picking his moment just right. I think it's a close fight, still just favour Pavlik by decision but not by much. Very possible Arthur would have him in trouble and confuse him. I think it comes down to their game plans determining the likelyhood of getting caught out. Abraham Calzaghe is a facinating fight, Joes got a tough chin, quick reactions, and good tactical awareness. So a UD me thinks.

            Good to hear Abraham on the case and nagging away still, there's no getting away Kelly.

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              #36
              Originally posted by WLAD OWNS View Post
              Pavlik/Abraham will be the fight of the year for 2009
              Pavlik by late TKO in a war
              I haven't seen enough of Abraham to make a good prediction, but we're talking about a guy who went the 12 with a broken Jaw. I can't see him getting knocked out, you see a TKO?
              Then again...has AA faced anybody as hard-hitting as Pav?

              I know how smart Kelly is, I bet he'll come in with really good game plans to win it.

              Originally posted by KJB View Post
              I really want to see Pavlik-Calzaghe, if they win against Hopkins and RJJ respectively, next. To me thats the fight to see...
              I'm with you on that!
              Joe DID say, he'd retire ONLY if he beats Jones in a 'satisfying' way, so route for Jones!

              Originally posted by KostyaTszyu44 View Post
              ...i mean though, like if pavlik can be dropped and hurt by taylor, abe can certainly KO him with his burts of power shots
              good point.
              Taylor's not even considered a "knockout artist" either.


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                #37
                I'm glad he wants this fight!!! Hopefully after Pavlik fights Hopkins, they will work something out What a great fight it will be!

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                  #38
                  Both men are the strongest punchers each has ever faced. This fight will be explosive start to finish(who knows when it will finish. Could be one round, could be all twelve). I hope Calzaghe loses against RJJ so we don't have to see Calzlappy fight Pavilk, instead of the unification showdown between the Ghost and the Abrahammer.

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                    #39
                    This is the fight that needs to happen at Middleweight. I'm glad both guys are down for that fight next if they get past their opponents.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by KingArthur View Post
                      Bro his ****ing jaw was broken. Has your jaw every been CRACKED or FRACTURED...........Do you know what kind of pain that is? So don't even count the first fight because WITH a broken jaw AA rattled Miranda a couple of times
                      The first fight was one of the worst robberies I've ever seen. So yeah I think we should count it. Miranda would have gotten the TKO almost anywhere else.

                      And I picked Abraham by TKO in the rematch btw. He's much better than Miranda. But freak accident or not, he got his jaw broken by a punch.

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