What I'm about to say may hurt their fans, but Cotto and Taylor were overrated!

[Boofdatruth]

Then dont compare PBF/Baldomir to Cotto/Margarito

Baldomir was the worst champion ever.... he was the MOST overrated fighter that I have ever seen in the history of boxing. He ******, he less capable than any credible fighter.

Stop it ok lol. You formulated your own comparisons between the two without asking me what ARE the comparisons. No, Baldy was not the worst champion. He is far from being the worst champion. But you are a Cotto fan, so you have to belittle Baldy.

[Boofdatruth]

I'll jump in to say that both Cotto and Margarito were considered overrated by many hard core fans.

What impressed me about Cotto was his ability to showcase his boxing skills as well as his brawling style against Margo.

But on that night against Cotto, Margo was not going to be denied. He was not going to lose focus on his main objective of winning.

Margo appearing one dimensional, could've beaten any decent fighter on that night.

As far as Cotto and Taylor, If they have it inside of them still, they can make
dramatic comebacks that will put them in back on top of the contender list.

Good post. Before Margs fought Cintron, Clottey and Williams, I thought he was overrated. Those fights are the reason why I picked Margs to ko Cotto. He learned in those wins and loss. Can you believe this. I picked Floyd to ko chico based off of how Floyd took apart Emmanuel Augustus.

[deanrw]

What I am saying is if a fighter remains undefeated throughout their career, it is an indicator that they took a more careful path and did not seek out the toughest competition they could have unless they had a lot of luck on their side.

Who are the examples...past and present of these types of fighters that you would name?

How about Ali and Norton. Norton had Ali's number. Hearns and Barkley. Barkley had Hearns number.

Castillo in his first fight with Mayweather could have walked away with a W that night and nobody would have complained. Floyd upped his game in the rematch and took it back, but Floyd very well could have lost that first fight. If he would have lost it, I for one would not have written him off, but many would have which would have been silly. I was critical at Floyd for taking a careful approach at Welterweight. He had a few good fish to fry there but neglected to do so. Could he have beaten them all? Well I would not have bet against him. It just bothers me that he didn't.

When you look back, even 20 years ago, the best fighters always seeked each other out and let the chips fall. They are now considered legends for it, even if they took their losses.

Today boxing is very carefully guided. I give credit to Taylor. He fought Winky, Hopkins and others who were huge spoilers. He may not have looked spectacular against them, but at the time, some of them were P4P fighters and you cannot knock him for that. Tough fights who were very hard to look good against. When he lost to Pavlik, he jumped right back in there in an attempt to correct it. That takes Balls, but Pavlik just had his number. Taylor could still move on and have a more successful career than pavlik, you never know.

Cotto and Margarito both took a huge risk fighting each other. I tip my hat to both of them for putting it all on the line, when they both could have went in different directions very easily. They believed in themselves and their management believed in them.

[Boofdatruth]

How about Ali and Norton. Norton had Ali's number. Hearns and Barkley. Barkley had Hearns number.

Castillo in his first fight with Mayweather could have walked away with a W that night and nobody would have complained. Floyd upped his game in the rematch and took it back, but Floyd very well could have lost that first fight. If he would have lost it, I for one would not have written him off, but many would have which would have been silly. I was critical at Floyd for taking a careful approach at Welterweight. He had a few good fish to fry there but neglected to do so. Could he have beaten them all? Well I would not have bet against him. It just bothers me that he didn't.

When you look back, even 20 years ago, the best fighters always seeked each other out and let the chips fall. They are now considered legends for it, even if they took their losses.

Today boxing is very carefully guided. I give credit to Taylor. He fought Winky, Hopkins and others who were huge spoilers. He may not have looked spectacular against them, but at the time, some of them were P4P fighters and you cannot knock him for that. Tough fights who were very hard to look good against. When he lost to Pavlik, he jumped right back in there in an attempt to correct it. That takes Balls, but Pavlik just had his number. Taylor could still move on and have a more successful career than pavlik, you never know.

Cotto and Margarito both took a huge risk fighting each other. I tip my hat to both of them for putting it all on the line, when they both could have went in different directions very easily. They believed in themselves and their management believed in them.

You are a good poster, and this was a good post, but it didn't answer my question. I'm not trying to be a smarty but you posted: "What I am saying is if a fighter remains undefeated throughout their career, it is an indicator that they took a more careful path and did not seek out the toughest competition they could have unless they had a lot of luck on their side". I just wanted to know who the undefeated boxers were, and what you meant by this. No one is belittling Cotto or J.T because they lost. I'm criticizing how they lost. Did we overrate these two guys skills?

[deanrw]

This is why Paul Williams is on the fast track of being a true star. He will fight anybody. Balls of steel there folks. Others knock him on here but he has become one of my favorite fighters just because he is willing to war it up with anyone and let the chips fall.

To those who knock him, it it their loss. he is a throwback to what this sport is supposed to be IMO

[Boofdatruth]

How about Ali and Norton. Norton had Ali's number. Hearns and Barkley. Barkley had Hearns number.

Castillo in his first fight with Mayweather could have walked away with a W that night and nobody would have complained. Floyd upped his game in the rematch and took it back, but Floyd very well could have lost that first fight. If he would have lost it, I for one would not have written him off, but many would have which would have been silly. I was critical at Floyd for taking a careful approach at Welterweight. He had a few good fish to fry there but neglected to do so. Could he have beaten them all? Well I would not have bet against him. It just bothers me that he didn't.

When you look back, even 20 years ago, the best fighters always seeked each other out and let the chips fall. They are now considered legends for it, even if they took their losses.

Today boxing is very carefully guided. I give credit to Taylor. He fought Winky, Hopkins and others who were huge spoilers. He may not have looked spectacular against them, but at the time, some of them were P4P fighters and you cannot knock him for that. Tough fights who were very hard to look good against. When he lost to Pavlik, he jumped right back in there in an attempt to correct it. That takes Balls, but Pavlik just had his number. Taylor could still move on and have a more successful career than pavlik, you never know.

Cotto and Margarito both took a huge risk fighting each other. I tip my hat to both of them for putting it all on the line, when they both could have went in different directions very easily. They believed in themselves and their management believed in them.

I would've complained had they scored a win for Castillo lol. Low blows and fighting dirty doesn't win fights

[Undefeated]

This just in from Cotto,

Cotto bounce back.

Haters on Boxingscene forum.

Many think I don't bounce back.

I prove wrong.

They suck my salchicha.

I teabag then with Goya.

They say I overrated because I lost "Una vez"

Fairy.

[deanrw]

You are a good poster, and this was a good post, but it didn't answer my question. I'm not trying to be a smarty but you posted: "What I am saying is if a fighter remains undefeated throughout their career, it is an indicator that they took a more careful path and did not seek out the toughest competition they could have unless they had a lot of luck on their side". I just wanted to know who the undefeated boxers were, and what you meant by this. Nobody is belittling them by criticizing them because they lost. I'm criticizing how they lost. Did we overrate these two guys skills? I think so.

Well you have Pavlik now chasing money instead of chasing Abraham. That irks me a bit but I think that fight might happen eventually. You have Calzaghe chasing money, same kinda deal. You had Floyd chasing money instead of the hardened guys at welterweight.

Here I am knocking some of my favorite fighters because I know they can do more.

Now we have a warrior like Williams, willing to fight anyone, but cannot find a dance partner for the life of him. It is not the fighters I blame either, but the management and promoters more than anything.

[deanrw]

I would've complained had they scored a win for Castillo lol. Low blows and fighting dirty doesn't win fights

Boxing is a tough game. Just ask Marvin Hagler

[Da Hammer]

Cotto and Jermaine Taylor were overrated. They are 2 fighters who when against inferior comp looked superb. When pit against guys who were not overly athletic, and used a basic style against them, they both failed miserably. Margs and Pav have talent don't get me wrong, but Jt and Cotto were looked at as guys who were going to be the future of boxing. Maybe they still can be. I'm the first to call them overrated based on their styles.

Jermaine Taylor had NO infighting skills, and that is why he lost to Pav. Cotto had no right hand, and no inside game against a stronger fighter and that is why he lost. J.T could box, but he had no leverage on his shots. Cotto is an excellent boxer who couldn't fight when backed up. J.T had great offense but no defense. Cotto had an excellent offense and no defense. Both fighters failed at trying to rest during a fight. They fought too hard, and hurt themselves with the way they chose to fight the men who beat them. Ali said you had to train the body to take damage to protect the head, and Duran said you have to be able to know how to rest during a fight which is why he never seemed to get tired in fights. Words of wisdom.

Yes, Cotto and J.T were overrated and I don't care what any of you say. They fought their hearts out, but when pit against their equal they failed miserably. I commend J.T for going after an immediate rematch. Margs didn't even fight Williams in an immediate rematch. We'll wait and see what Cotto does. Imo he has to rematch Margs.

Maybe they were overrated but it doesnt take away anything from what they have done in the ring. They are very talented fighters that just ran into some very tough talented bricks. All of the great boxers in boxing history lost fights when they went after all the top fighters in their divisions and in the world. thats why they never lost any respect from anyone! i really dont get the need to call out Cotto and Taylor...