Current Heavyweights - The Era With No Name

[MissDeeCole]

Another article bashing the heavyweight division. Just what we needed before the next big heavyweight fight on Saturday, to create interest.

If the American media would just stop crying and whining about the division, we fans could get around to enjoying it.

So the best heavyweights are not Americans right now...

Get over it and stop whining!

its all the mainstream media knows about boxing, of course your going to hear it repeated 100 times

[edgarg]

omission

By the way, I should have apologised about the "5 lbs" thing, but I didn't think you'd assume it was you. My computer "skipped" It does these oddball things from time to time, but lately had been behaving well.

It's a well known fact that although the heavyweight Champ, Ezzard Charles was only a built up Light-Heavyweight. I'd be ashamed to dispute this. He was only 180 or so when he beat Walcott- just a heavy light-heavy (if you'll excuse the levity) and when he fought Lesnevitch in his next fight (Gus had been the Lt-heavy Champ) he was only 178. he was 184 beating Louis at 218 and in his next 4th and 5th fights was only 182. he was then 30 years old. He didn't reach 190 until he fought Nino Valdez, and then just kept going up and up, losing, as I said 17 of his last 29 fights from Valdez to career end, including the 2 Marciano fights.

What the hell do you beg the question on this for, when you can read it as well as I can in Boxrec. The difference between us is that I was around at the time and have all the boxing ****zines which wrote about the then current situations.

[edgarg]

Reminds me of a Jimmy Durante song

By the way THUNDERLIPS, I like the name, as long as the "thunder" comes just from the lips, and not the opposite end.........

[Thunder Lips]

By the way, I should have apologised about the "5 lbs" thing, but I didn't think you'd assume it was you. My computer "skipped" It does these oddball things from time to time, but lately had been behaving well.

It's a well known fact that although the heavyweight Champ, Ezzard Charles was only a built up Light-Heavyweight. I'd be ashamed to dispute this. He was only 180 or so when he beat Walcott- just a heavy light-heavy (if you'll excuse the levity) and when he fought Lesnevitch in his next fight (Gus had been the Lt-heavy Champ) he was only 178. he was 184 beating Louis at 218 and in his next 4th and 5th fights was only 182. he was then 30 years old. He didn't reach 190 until he fought Nino Valdez, and then just kept going up and up, losing, as I said 17 of his last 29 fights from Valdez to career end, including the 2 Marciano fights.

What the hell do you beg the question on this for, when you can read it as well as I can in Boxrec. The difference between us is that I was around at the time and have all the boxing ****zines which wrote about the then current situations.

Charles was the recognized Heavyweight Champion with a blistering 8 successful defenses in under two years. He wasn't a popular Champion because of his technical style but he was effecient. He beat many ranked contenders after the fact and outside of the Walcott ambush was never convincingly beat until Rocky. He was the number one ranked contender coming into the Marciano fight after impressive back to back knockouts of fellow contenders Satterfield and Wallace. His loss to Johnson was a close split decision, the ud loss to the massive Valdez was by most credible accounts very close with Charles even dropping him at one point. It is said Valdez and his camp refused a rematch. Charles came into the first Marciano fight motivated and in great condition at 1851/2 and as I'm sure you would know, impressed every sport writer who witnessed the fight, some citing it was his best showing in 17 years if not his best showing ever. He was a credible opponent for Rocky and a great win, get over it.

Yeah, Charles gave up after the Rocky fights and was just fighting for money as he was broke. He tried to retire but dragged on for another two years or so, collecting most his losses there.


Sell your bull**** stories to someone who will buy them, I'm not interested or impressed by that crap.

[edgarg]

Charles was the recognized Heavyweight Champion with a blistering 8 successful defenses in under two years. He wasn't a popular Champion because of his technical style but he was effecient. He beat many ranked contenders after the fact and outside of the Walcott ambush was never convincingly beat until Rocky. He was the number one ranked contender coming into the Marciano fight after impressive back to back knockouts of fellow contenders Satterfield and Wallace. His loss to Johnson was a close split decision, the ud loss to the massive Valdez was by most credible accounts very close with Charles even dropping him at one point. It is said Valdez and his camp refused a rematch. Charles came into the first Marciano fight motivated and in great condition at 1851/2 and as I'm sure you would know, impressed every sport writer who witnessed the fight, some citing it was his best showing in 17 years if not his best showing ever. He was a credible opponent for Rocky and a great win, get over it.

Yeah, Charles gave up after the Rocky fights and was just fighting for money as he was broke. He tried to retire but dragged on for another two years or so, collecting most his losses there.


Sell your bull**** stories to someone who will buy them, I'm not interested or impressed by that crap.

You certainly have a distinct talent for timing. Talking about bull**** stories, doesn't this "story" you've just written smell of plagiarism. It has all the earmarks of having mostly been copied almost word for word from another article.

You "know" so much, that I believe that any time now, you'll be knowing things before they even happen.

Valdez was only "massive" by 1950s standards, if he actually was even then. It's true they occasionally described him that way, mostly a PR description, [since there were often fighters of his and even larger size, they were just a bit bigger than average]. which makes me wonder which story you copied this from. Today he'd be encouraged to go to Cruiserweight, being 6' 3" and usually between 200 and 205 lbs. a very small heavyweight.

And allow me to correct you just this ONCE, The score in Valdez-Charles was a unanimous 7-2, 5-3, 5-3, not the very close fight you insinuate.

I'm glad you turned nasty, which allows me to avoid this ridiculous "elbow-jabbng".

[edgarg]

Ezzard Charles started slipping in the Valdez fight.

To show how far Charles had already slipped by the time he fought Marciano, Valdez, to whom he lost in his 5th fight before Marciano, had himself lost 4 of his previous 5 fights. These included losses to both Archie Moore and Harold Johnson, each of whom he outweighed by more than 30 lbs.

Ezz began noticeably slipping from the Valdez fight. As a sidenote, he'd lost 2 of his last 4 before the Marciano fight.

It's interesting you should mention Coley Wallace. I recall that he played the part of Joe Louis in the movie, "TheJoe Louis Story".

[Thunder Lips]

And allow me to correct you just this ONCE, The score in Valdez-Charles was a unanimous 7-2, 5-3, 5-3, not the very close fight you insinuate.

I'm glad you turned nasty, which allows me to avoid this ridiculous "elbow-jabbng".

Your first two paragraphs are nonsense that I'm not even going to bother with. Regardles of how Valdez measures to the heavies and crusiers of today(WTF are you even talking about?) he had an official 20 lb weight advantage over Charles and with his described "mauling" tactics in the fight his considerable size advantage came into play. Though he was more than just a big man as well.

And while I see you can read scorecards, go ahead and read most accounts of the fight. Charles clearly lost to a very game opponent but it was often regarded as a tough competitive fight.

Valdez lost 4 of his previous fights before Charles only to win his next 11. If you read those old mags you claim to have you would know that Valdez was Ring's number one heavyweight contender by the end of 54 and was largely recognized as so until Moore beat him.

Charles was generally ranked in the top 3 Heavies or higher from 50 to the end of 55 when he lost to Tommy Jackson twice and became a test guy for prospects. He was the number one Heavy when Marciano fought him twice.

These are facts you can't dispute. Much like "Charles dying a few years after fighting Marciano" and "Layne lost every time he stepped up", but I'm sure you'll again shove your foot into your mouth and ramble on; I just won't be listening anymore.

Charles wasn't at his best at heavy but it is hard to argue he wasn't an excellent if disliked Champion who remained an excellent contender in the division until 55.