Floyd Mayweather Vs Wilfred Benitez At 147 ?

[El Jesus]

Agreed. Mayweather is a very smart fighter. Nonetheless, his 'aggression' is still based on the other fighter making mistakes. A case in point being the Judah fight. Judah though, unlike Benitez, was an aggressive, offensive fighter himself much more than Benitez and was prone to sinking into a shell if hurt or pushed and would make many mistakes, especially after around round four, which Mayweather knew and capitalised on it.

In my opinion Mayweather has never had the necessary 'attack' aggression and jab that he would need to actually pressure Benitez the way Leonard and Hearns were able to. Mayweather hasn't been truly aggressive in a fight since his lightweight days in which he would seek the openings instead of waiting for them, which would play against him.

Against Judah he was aggressive, but only because Judah started making mistakes and then when he went into his mental shell Mayweather could've done anything. Even then though, it was still counter aggression based only on Judah making mistakes and Mayweather working off those. Apart from that, all his offense, especially at welterweight, is based on someone coming at him and making offensive mistakes which he can then counter off.

Mayweather doesn't have the jab to nullify Benitez' own jab or offense which is what he would need more than anything else. He doesn't throw enough, and hasn't thrown many at all in quite a while at WW, and having Benitez' quick, long jab would not present him with enough to work from and, if anything, would actually make Mayweather more likely to move into an offensive zone he would not be comfortable at in which Benitez would be able to counter more and capitalise on even more than if it was just a jab and counter game.

At a lighter weight in pound for pound terms I think Mayweather could take it. At welterweight though I think Benitez would win a close UD.

You are right, and you know whats funny is how we talk this way about judah, and since both mayweather and judah became pros, they were viewed as having the highest possible ceiling any fighter could reach. Its crazy though, judahs loss to baldomir ruined everything, i mean for me, it ruined the idea that i was watching two of the sports absolute best fighters fighting for the real championship, it ruined mayweathers career in terms of respect because then margarito started calling him out, and it was making him look bad. it also gave floyd the reputation that he ducks real challanges, when in reality, even with the loss, judah had the biggest chance of all fighters that i have seen floyd fight to beat him.

imagine if he fought judah at 140, that would have been awesome.

however i agree with what you said, mayweather rarely uses his jab and he would definately need that, at welterweight this is one of the few fights where you have a guy like judah (in benitez) who isnt going to FOLD at the first sign of adjustment on the other end.

[BennyST]

Majority people here, mayweather fans as well as haters likely hadnt even heard of mayweather before the gatti fight. the fact that "MAYWEATHER SHOULD HAVE FOUGHT MARGARITO" is on the first page again, is a testament that most of these people had no idea who he was until his campaign at welter.

either way, you are right, there is nobody thats really going to force mayweather into something like that, other than mayweather himself, there is no one in his division displaying that kind of technical brilliance like benitez did. Mayweather could beat cotto with the style he has right now, margarito also, he could basically be defensive, pick his shots and whatever. there is no one out there that could really force a toe to toe battle since nobody out there would make him do it, all the fighters who are all out fighters are all slower than him, thus hed just move around and pick his shots, against benitez he wouldnt be able to do that.

Exactly mate!

[Live Dog]

You are right, and you know whats funny is how we talk this way about judah, and since both mayweather and judah became pros, they were viewed as having the highest possible ceiling any fighter could reach. Its crazy though, judahs loss to baldomir ruined everything, i mean for me, it ruined the idea that i was watching two of the sports absolute best fighters fighting for the real championship, it ruined mayweathers career in terms of respect because then margarito started calling him out, and it was making him look bad. it also gave floyd the reputation that he ducks real challanges, when in reality, even with the loss, judah had the biggest chance of all fighters that i have seen floyd fight to beat him.

imagine if he fought judah at 140, that would have been awesome.

however i agree with what you said, mayweather rarely uses his jab and he would definately need that, at welterweight this is one of the few fights where you have a guy like judah (in benitez) who isnt going to FOLD at the first sign of adjustment on the other end.

I'm still one of the fools that believes in Judah. He has given me no reason to keep any kind of hope alive, but I'm sucker for a fighter with lighting fast hands. He needs to ditch his old man and get with a new trainer, but even so it's probably way too late.

[El Jesus]

I'm still one of the fools that believes in Judah. He has given me no reason to keep any kind of hope alive, but I'm sucker for a fighter with lighting fast hands. He needs to ditch his old man and get with a new trainer, but even so it's probably way too late.

i have been on the judah bandwagon for 12 years now, its starting to feel like the tyson bandwagon i got on at age 6. believing until the very end (kevin mcbride)

[BennyST]

You are right, and you know whats funny is how we talk this way about judah, and since both mayweather and judah became pros, they were viewed as having the highest possible ceiling any fighter could reach. Its crazy though, judahs loss to baldomir ruined everything, i mean for me, it ruined the idea that i was watching two of the sports absolute best fighters fighting for the real championship, it ruined mayweathers career in terms of respect because then margarito started calling him out, and it was making him look bad. it also gave floyd the reputation that he ducks real challanges, when in reality, even with the loss, judah had the biggest chance of all fighters that i have seen floyd fight to beat him.

imagine if he fought judah at 140, that would have been awesome.

however i agree with what you said, mayweather rarely uses his jab and he would definately need that, at welterweight this is one of the few fights where you have a guy like judah (in benitez) who isnt going to FOLD at the first sign of adjustment on the other end.

Yes, exactly! Judah really is a sad case. He could have made himself and Mayweather great. He could have been one of the greats with the physical talent he has. If he had just been able to withstand heavy mental pressure and move up an extra gear he could have been brilliant. He could have beaten Mayweather and set up a great series. They could have been each others Leonard/Hearns, Duran/De Jesus/Leonard, Barrera/Morales, Pacquiao/Marquez, Bowe/Holyfield, Pep/Saddler etc.

If only.....

I sometimes wonder whether Judah was mentally scarred from the Tszyu TKO incident. Before that he had stood up to 12 rounds of pressure from some good 12 round fighters and had been fine. I think a possibility was that when he got destroyed by Tszyu and needed to mentally recoup and regain his own strength he should have left the Father/Son thing and tried to gain it independently. It was only after that fight that he really started wilting badly when hurt or under pressure and it was maybe exacerbated by the Father/son ting and not needing to mentally gain strength by himself.

[JoartCC]

Have you ever seen Wilfred Benitez fight? and if so, what do you think about his style? Tell me about some signature fights you have seen, and what strengths did benitez have that shows you he could beat floyd, especially, what was it about benitez at 147 that would give floyd such a problem?

Let's just use common sense Idiot Fake Floyd fan.

How can Gayweather the duckling compete with a Benitez, a considered legend at welter when all Gayweather has to offer at welter are ducking and weaving?

It's a simple common sense question and you certainly dont need a PHD to understand this.

COMPARSION BY ANALOGY must first be satisfied with comparable results.

Otherwise I can state MY DOG CAN EAT UP GAYWEATHER.

And I would be right by default.

At least lessen the idiocy Fake Floyd fans.

Although I already know you're all hopeless cracks.

[Live Dog]

Let's just use common sense Idiot Fake Floyd fan.

How can Gayweather the duckling compete with a Benitez, a considered legend at welter when all Gayweather has to offer at welter are ducking and weaving?

It's a simple common sense question and you certainly dont need a PHD to understand this.

COMPARSION BY ANALOGY must first be satisfied with comparable results.

Otherwise I can state MY DOG CAN EAT UP GAYWEATHER.

And I would be right by default.

At least lessen the idiocy Fake Floyd fans.

Although I already know you're all hopeless cracks.

can somebody please translate....I don't speak moron

[El Jesus]

Yes, exactly! Judah really is a sad case. He could have made himself and Mayweather great. He could have been one of the greats with the physical talent he has. If he had just been able to withstand heavy mental pressure and move up an extra gear he could have been brilliant. He could have beaten Mayweather and set up a great series. They could have been each others Leonard/Hearns, Duran/De Jesus/Leonard, Barrera/Morales, Pacquiao/Marquez etc.

If only.....

I sometimes wonder whether Judah was mentally scarred from the Tszyu TKO incident. Before that he had stood up to 12 rounds of pressure from some good 12 round fighters and had been fine. I think a possibility was that when he got destroyed by Tszyu and needed to mentally recoup and regain his own strength he should have left the Father/Son thing and tried to gain it independently. It was only after that fight that he started wilting when hurt or under pressure and it was maybe exacerbated by the Father/son ting and not needing to mentally gain strength by himself.

You know what sucks is that against cotto, i hate to make excuses, but i seriosuly think that the lowblows did take alot out of him, because before them, he was sitting and waiting on cotto and landing big, i could only imagine if judah would have won that fight. It sucks because against cotto, we saw the judah we know and low and then, against cotto, we saw the judah we have come to get to know. after the second low blow he just seemed completely out of it.

[JoartCC]

can somebody please translate....I don't speak moron

You're not moronic.

You're just an Idiot Fake Floyd fan.

You're parents should have taught you common sense dude.

All your yapping and all I need to shove it back your ignorant mouth is use common sense.

[RichCCFC]

bump........