Floyd Mayweather Vs Wilfred Benitez At 147 ?

[oldgringo]

Close decision either way. Benitez fought on pretty even terms with Ray Leonard and Carlos Palomino. He'd have an edge in strength and size. He wouldn't have to worry about Floyd's punching power nearly as much as he did with Palomino, Leonard, Duran and Hearns.

Is this the same Benitez who was very lucky to get a decision win over Bruce Curry (Donald's brother) after being dropped a couple of times? Curry wouldn't have won a round against Mayweather. Benitez won the 147 lb title by a split decision in Puerto Rico, defended it once against journeyman Harold Weston, then was beaten by Leonard. Benitez was a talented fighter to be sure, but lets not get carried away with the myths of that era.

Now I haven't seen the Curry/Benitez fight, but when these fantasy matches come off I'm assuming we're talking about the best possible versions of these fighters at the given weight. Seeing as how Benitez was able to fight on pretty even terms with Palomino, Leonard and Duran (as a light middleweight), I think it's safe to say he'd present Floyd Mayweather with a lot of problems at his best, especially considering his style and his comfort level fighting a slower paced fight.

[JoartCC]

"Still you persists on idiocy"? Shut the **** up you brainless moron. The question wasn't about courage, it was about who would win between the two fighters. Respond to this when you learn how to speak English, pinhead.

Are you really an UNEDUCATED MORON dude?

What part of COMPARISON BY ANALOGY and SAME VARIABLE RESULTS did you not understand?

Good gracious!

Are fake Floyd fans really this ******?

Wtf!

A very basic point and still you can't understand it.

What a ****ing moron.

[El Jesus]

I usually don't like what you have to say but your on point!
I agree word for word..

Floyd isn't a volume puncher.. Benitez would win on volume punching..

Floyd would only press like that if he had to, this is my biggest issue that leaves a questionmark with mayweather, only during that first castillo fight did we really see that look that yes, the fight was on the line, i think it was the 10th or 11th round floyd stepped up and went toe to toe with castillo to show the judges that no, he wasnt folding. if you force mayweather to fight, he will fight you.

Nobody really can force mayweather into a fight though, hes always figuring **** out and then proceeding to dominate, i think if floyd was pushed by benitez into a fight, hed definately fight him, especially if he knows the fight is on the line, knowing how i see floyd in the ring, hed rather go toe to toe and take the loss knowing he gave it his all if he knows the fight is up in the air. its only when hes dominating hell just keep doing what he feels is working and go for the KO only if he knows he can get it.

This fight is a tossup based on that, because Benitez would definately force him to fight.

[El Jesus]

It's a simple question.

How can you be so idiotic as use as arguments comparison by analogy and yet fail to grasp the basic fact that gayweather ducked top welters.

It's basic logic and still you persists on idiocy. Lols.

Before you can line yourself up against top greats, it's a basic rule that you should have produced results in variable comparison.

PLAIN AND BASIC COMMON SENSE.

Have you ever seen Wilfred Benitez fight? and if so, what do you think about his style? Tell me about some signature fights you have seen, and what strengths did benitez have that shows you he could beat floyd, especially, what was it about benitez at 147 that would give floyd such a problem?

[BennyST]

This is a simple comparison by logical analogy.

If you can explain how this sentence makes any sense whatsoever, some people might think of taking you seriously. As it stands though, no one does. Run along to your english lesson.

On topic: I think if we're talking the best of both guys, then I would take Benitez. A properly trained, focused Benitez would have the hand speed, defensive skill, more natural power and the overall offensive counter punching sharpness combined with his brilliant defensive prowess to hinder Mayweather greatly.

I think Mayeather at welterweight, against a true natural welterweight like Benitez, does not have the aggressive, offensive tools needed to be able to take the fight into territory that would be problematic for Benitez. Mayweather strives, and even needs, his opponent to be aggressive for him to work his game plan to full potential, whereas Benitez would actually use his own offensive arsenal, especially his jab, to create the counter opportunities he needed to control the fight. He didn't rely on his opponent being aggressive as much as does Mayweather and this, I believe, would make Mayweather struggle to win as he would try to fight two different paces without ever controlling one.

The counter game would be won by Benitez at this weight. When Mayweather has struggled in fights, it has been against good boxers that had some handspeed and could counter punch and catch him. Of course, most of Mayweathers fights have been against forward, aggressive, brawler type fighters in which he was the counter puncher with the edge in handspeed. At welterweight Benitez would be the counter puncher and would be as fast as Mayweather and he also held up sustained counter punching combinations, not relying on pot shotting as Mayweather has tended to in the past.

I actually believe the fight would be won by Benitez' jab. He was pretty tall and had a great jab which could really trouble Mayweather and would set up the counter opportunities. Benitez had a different style of counter punching to Mayweather and didn't rely on his opponents aggressiveness as much to win. He also didn't stand in the pocket as Mayweather does and after he has landed, he is out of there and setting up his next counter.

His best fights at welterweight were better than Mayweathers best fights at welterweight. Benitez in a very close UD with his long jab and more accurate (as well as more volume of) counters being the difference in a close fight.

[slicksouthpaw16]

IMO Benitez looked his best more against agressive opponents. He didn't look very well when he was force to fight in a technical battle becuase he seemed hesitant and uncomfortable. Which is why he struggled so much with Leonard, Hearns ect. I like his size advantage in this match up and the fact that he uses them to his advantage. He would trouble Mayweather with a consistant jab and trying to time him on the way in, similar to the way Oscar De La Hoya did. Where Mayweather would run into more trouble with Benitez is the fact that unlike Oscar, he sticks to his game plan, has excellent stamina, is very consistant and is the better outside boxer. Mayweather IMO is simply too small to compete with most of the all time great welterweights of the past generations. Benitez by MD.

[BennyST]

It's a simple question.

How can you be so idiotic as use as arguments comparison by analogy and yet fail to grasp the basic fact that gayweather ducked top welters.

It's basic logic and still you persists on idiocy. Lols.

Before you can line yourself up against top greats, it's a basic rule that you should have produced results in variable comparison.

PLAIN AND BASIC COMMON SENSE.

Before pretending to talk 'plain and basic common sense', why not try to speak in terms of 'plain and basic english sense' eh?

No doubt you haven't even seen a Benitez fight and couldn't think what one might play out like between Mayweather. Now run along and find other threads to mindlessly rant and rave about 'Gayweather' and whatever else your sad little mind can think up regarding him. Jeez, talk about latent obsessive tendencies. I think we've got a classic case on our hands here.

[Live Dog]

I bet half the people who voted Benitez have never seen him fight.

[El Jesus]

If you can explain how this sentence makes any sense whatsoever, some people might think of taking you seriously. As it stands though, no one does. Run along to your english lesson.

On topic: I think if we're talking the best of both guys, then I would take Benitez. A properly trained, focused Benitez would have the hand speed, defensive skill, more natural power and the overall offensive counter punching sharpness combined with his brilliant defensive prowess to hinder Mayweather greatly.

I think Mayeather at welterweight, against a true natural welterweight like Benitez, does not have the aggressive, offensive tools needed to be able to take the fight into territory that would be problematic for Benitez. Mayweather strives, and even needs, his opponent to be aggressive for him to work his game plan to full potential, whereas Benitez would actually use his own offensive arsenal, especially his jab, to create the counter opportunities he needed to control the fight. He didn't rely on his opponent being aggressive as much as does Mayweather and this, I believe, would make Mayweather struggle to win as he would try to fight two different paces without ever controlling one.

The counter game would be won by Benitez at this weight. When Mayweather has struggled in fights, it has been against good boxers that had some handspeed and could counter punch and catch him. Of course, most of Mayweathers fights have been against forward, aggressive, brawler type fighters in which he was the counter puncher with the edge in handspeed. At welterweight Benitez would be the counter puncher and would be as fast as Mayweather and he also held up sustained counter punching combinations, not relying on pot shotting as Mayweather has tended to in the past.

I actually believe the fight would be won by Benitez' jab. He was pretty tall and had a great jab which could really trouble Mayweather and would set up the counter opportunities. Benitez had a different style of counter punching to Mayweather and didn't rely on his opponents aggressiveness as much to win. He also didn't stand in the pocket as Mayweather does and after he has landed, he is out of there and setting up his next counter.

His best fights at welterweight were better than Mayweathers best fights at welterweight. Benitez in a very close UD with his long jab and more accurate (as well as more volume of) counters being the difference in a close fight.

see thats the thing, i think mayweather would only try to force the issue if he had to, and as someone mentioned before, mayweathers power wouldnt really trouble benitez as benitez was a true welter and mayweather isnt. I think the only way i can make a determination other than a benitez UD is to see how mayweather gets into a good toe to toe battle at welter and we never got to see that. A fight like the one against hatton isnt really a good measure for me since him and benitez were like night and day.

[El Jesus]

I bet half the people who voted Benitez have never seen him fight.

the honest truth, i dont even think most people who speak in these mayweather threads have even really seen him fight. let alone benitez and his ****ed off training habits.