The myth of the Klitschkos

[Fidayin]

I don't really like the Klitschkos but samuel peter is gona get knockt the **** out by Vitali.

[Kilrain]

Nobody is calling Klitschko brothers "great", so you're arguing with ghosts. It is my opinion that Vitali could have become one, had he started a pro boxing career earlier in his life and would not have so many injuries to deal with. Like his style or not, it was very effective and he was one tough mother, never been down, never lost more than a few rounds in any fight, including the ones he lost by TKO. If he makes it to the ring this time, I believe that he will destroy Peter.

As for your backing of Haye and Peter, you are discrediting yourself as you're backing up a fighter who's had one fight at HW and one fighter whose power is so overrated it's not even funny. Peter could not KO the same Wlad who you so despise, what is that telling you? Peter could not, in fact, KO any top 10 fighter in his life. What is that telling you? Peter lost his 1st fight with huffing and puffing Toney, who could barely move around the ring. What is that telling you?

You are delusional.

No one is calling the Klitschkos great? I could dig up numerous threads where posters on this very board have alleged this very thing

I never said they weren't tough. So you are yourself arguing with ghosts on that point. I said they were overrated. If you believe Vitali will beat Peter I will wager you on that one, no problem. Peter will decimate him.

Peters power is not very overrated at all. He's actually the only man ever to genuinely hurt James Toney. I know Reggie dropped JT but that was a flash kd, James was never bothered in that fight, similarly the Roy kd was influenced by Toney being offbalance, and when he arose he was more embarassed than hurt; never staggered subsequently. Peter had Toney on rubber legs, and rocked him numerous times in their second fight; he had him hurt in the first too at one point I believe. Peter, at his worst, already sent Wlad to the canvas a couple of times; that was when he was simply a puncher with no stamina. He has shown recently improved skill; better handspeed, better at cutting off the ring, and a great workrate (pounding out the Toney rematch with high output for all 12). If Wlad fights Sam again he's in bad trouble

[squealpiggy]

The first thing that usually comes up is the fact that Wlad lost three times (all by KO) in his career to inferior competition. This is fair criticism, especially to Purrity that was admittedly a bad loss. But that loss did come early in his career. And Brewster and Sanders (his other two losses) were decent fighters and Wlad defended his loss to Brewster. I also think it is only fair to note that has not had a loss in almost four years. Anyway, there has been only one heavyweight champion in the entire history of boxing that has retired undefeated so I don’t think people should condemn him too harshly on it.

I honestly wouldn't be concerned about his losses if it wasn't for his utterly intolerable fans. I used to like the guy but ****-jockeys like WLAD OWNS and Tunney have put me off him. OUtpointing Ibragimov in a gingerly and tedious fashion solicited cries of "BEST EVER" from these clownshoes, who furthermore bleat and honk about David Haye's losses and Lennox Lewis's losses as though getting KNOCKED OUT by ROSS PURRITY doesn't matter!

Wlad has also beaten everyone around and continues to do so. If Lewis losses can be swept under the rug than so can Wlads.

If Lewis's losses were swept under the rug it was Lennox who was holding the broom. His losses were real lucky-punch losses against massive punchers at the top of their game and he destroyed them both in the rematches.

That's why every elite Caucasian fighter gets ZERO credit and is always an "overrated bum who fought nobody." I could care less about skin color, unlike you, apparently!

I'm not one to diminish the achievements of a caucasian fighter on account of their skin colour, and suggesting that Lennox Lewis was a better champion than Wladimir Klitschko has less to do with skin colour and more to do with common sense.

Danny Williams retired Vitali.

[DiegoFuego]

The Klitschkos, like heavyweight boxing, are a joke. Wlad can't stop falling apart in the ring and Vitali can't stop falling apart outside of it.

[squealpiggy]

The Klitschkos, like heavyweight boxing, are a joke. Wlad can't stop falling apart in the ring and Vitali can't stop falling apart outside of it.

[IMDAZED]

I'm going to be pretty brief as I can't be assed typing out a prolonged spiel. But here's how I see it...coming down the stretch of Lennox Lewis' career boxing fans and press began to speculate about the next great heavyweight fighters that could feasibly fill the void left by Lewis...Wladimir Klitschko was the man they elected to fill that void. He was big and strong and athletic, with an unbeaten record and a phd. He had beaten some okay fighters like Jameel McCline. The litmus test hadn't yet arrived. Either way he got blown apart by an elder statesman of the division, Corrie Sanders, in two rounds. **** goes heavyweight contender mark 1. Enter his brother, Vitali. The pair have similar styles; I've never liked their styles; upright, stiff, no style or grace or canny footwork; I tend to like fighters with these attributes, Pernell Whitaker, Joe Walcott, Ray Robinson, Tommy Hearns, James Toney etc. So I was never endeared to the Klitschkos. I quite liked Lewis - he was big but he could move well, and he was all round fighter. He was clever in the ring too, and had a tremendous right hand. He was proven.

Vitali had no big names on his record prior to fighting an out-of-shape and undermotivated Lennox Lewis in 03. It was a bloody battle. Both of them were gassed, Lewis landed big, Klitschko landed big, they stood firm; it was sloppy, engrossing, bloody. Klitschkos face got shredded and the docs understandably stopped it...Klitschko made a name by fighting in level terms with an out of shape Lewis, in the champs final fight.

Imagine Ray Mercer had sustained a cut in his fight with Lewis after a few rounds, and it got halted...Vitalis elevation to the top of the HW crown was the equivalent of doing the same to Ray back in 95 (?) when he fought Len first time out, which woulda been bull****, as it was with VK..

Anyway look, Vitali is a goddam myth, he aint fought nobody. Danny Williams, what? He quit against Byrd because of a shoulder problem. He's got a nothing record. He hasn't fought in years. If he fights Sam Peter he's gonna get run over, Sam is the best fighter he'd have fought save for Lewis, and given Lennox' flat footed and lackadaisacal performance then Peter, the shape he's in now, his workrate, is the BEST he'd face.

Wladimir has carved out a good spot for himself in boxing, but still I ask, who has he beaten? He's still found ways to get his ass knocked out. By chumps. He's a good puncher, and he's pretty solid. But his style sucks. His last fight was a disgrace. HW champs do not perform like that; they dont just jab. It was embarassing.

I think neither of them have did anything of merit to be considered great heavyweights, they're merely filling a big void in HW boxing, it's like if there had been no Holy, Lewis or Tyson in the nineties and big, athletic but styleless fighters like Tommy Morrison or Shannon Briggs would be at the top of the tree. The Klitschkos dont impress me at all, and I'm backing David Haye and Sam Peter, two genuinely exciting and crippling punchers to inject some life into this wasteland of a division

Everybody pretty much knows this - fans and writers. It's pretty obvious - don't think they're fooling anyone except members of their fan club.

[Jim Jeffries]

I honestly wouldn't be concerned about his losses if it wasn't for his utterly intolerable fans. I used to like the guy but ****-jockeys like WLAD OWNS and Tunney have put me off him. OUtpointing Ibragimov in a gingerly and tedious fashion solicited cries of "BEST EVER" from these clownshoes, who furthermore bleat and honk about David Haye's losses and Lennox Lewis's losses as though getting KNOCKED OUT by ROSS PURRITY doesn't matter!

Wladimir was knocked out by Ross Puritty (at least try to spell his name right?) Do tell. I don't remember him being knocked down or seriously hurt once in the fight.

[IMDAZED]

Who cares? He got KTFO by Corey Sanders. And then he became the first person to knock himself out against Lamon Brewster.

Finally, who the **** has he beaten? Who????????

[squealpiggy]

Wladimir was knocked out by Ross Puritty (at least try to spell his name right?) Do tell. I don't remember him being knocked down or seriously hurt once in the fight.

Oh I'm sorry, he was TKOd by Ross Purrrritttty after being hammered. That makes all the difference.