The myth of the Klitschkos

[ophqui]

The thread starter Kilrain is one of the biggest Klitschko haters on Boxingscene....He is full of **** and he always goes out of his way to bash and discredit the Klitschkos.

Bloody fanboys. At least try and make some kind of counter arguement to back up your point. You just make yourself sound like an ignorant fool with that post.

[MANGLER]

For the brief period of time he stepped up and became the man after Lennox walked, Vitali actually had the people behind him for the most part. Wlad is the boss hog at HW now, and he mostly has the respect of fans, just not their support. I don't see Peter beatin Wlad if they do a rematch, and none of the other HW contenders can touch him either. We're just gonna have to wait on Haye to prove himself as a legit contender by beatin a good HW or 2. But I don't know that he could take Wlad either tbh. And if Vitali beats Peter, good for him I guess, but he ain't gonna have anotha fight in him after that.

[Leo Pradun]

Wlad is the 2 time HW champion and holds 2 of the 4 hw titles, hes been champion the longest out of current champions, hes been fighting all top contenders and mandatories what esle do u fools want? If he keeps winning for another 2 years and gets atleast another belt he should recongnized as an all time great. As far Vitali goes I agree with everything thats said about him but he could have been something great but injurues stopped him and I dont think the Peter fight will come off and even it does and he wins it wont be much longer before he gets injured or retires again, but still atleast well get to see some great fights.

[wayno]

I'm going to be pretty brief as I can't be assed typing out a prolonged spiel. But here's how I see it...coming down the stretch of Lennox Lewis' career boxing fans and press began to speculate about the next great heavyweight fighters that could feasibly fill the void left by Lewis...Wladimir Klitschko was the man they elected to fill that void. He was big and strong and athletic, with an unbeaten record and a phd. He had beaten some okay fighters like Jameel McCline. The litmus test hadn't yet arrived. Either way he got blown apart by an elder statesman of the division, Corrie Sanders, in two rounds. **** goes heavyweight contender mark 1. Enter his brother, Vitali. The pair have similar styles; I've never liked their styles; upright, stiff, no style or grace or canny footwork; I tend to like fighters with these attributes, Pernell Whitaker, Joe Walcott, Ray Robinson, Tommy Hearns, James Toney etc. So I was never endeared to the Klitschkos. I quite liked Lewis - he was big but he could move well, and he was all round fighter. He was clever in the ring too, and had a tremendous right hand. He was proven.

Vitali had no big names on his record prior to fighting an out-of-shape and undermotivated Lennox Lewis in 03. It was a bloody battle. Both of them were gassed, Lewis landed big, Klitschko landed big, they stood firm; it was sloppy, engrossing, bloody. Klitschkos face got shredded and the docs understandably stopped it...Klitschko made a name by fighting in level terms with an out of shape Lewis, in the champs final fight.

Imagine Ray Mercer had sustained a cut in his fight with Lewis after a few rounds, and it got halted...Vitalis elevation to the top of the HW crown was the equivalent of doing the same to Ray back in 95 (?) when he fought Len first time out, which woulda been bull****, as it was with VK..

Anyway look, Vitali is a goddam myth, he aint fought nobody. Danny Williams, what? He quit against Byrd because of a shoulder problem. He's got a nothing record. He hasn't fought in years. If he fights Sam Peter he's gonna get run over, Sam is the best fighter he'd have fought save for Lewis, and given Lennox' flat footed and lackadaisacal performance then Peter, the shape he's in now, his workrate, is the BEST he'd face.

Wladimir has carved out a good spot for himself in boxing, but still I ask, who has he beaten? He's still found ways to get his ass knocked out. By chumps. He's a good puncher, and he's pretty solid. But his style sucks. His last fight was a disgrace. HW champs do not perform like that; they dont just jab. It was embarassing.

I think neither of them have did anything of merit to be considered great heavyweights, they're merely filling a big void in HW boxing, it's like if there had been no Holy, Lewis or Tyson in the nineties and big, athletic but styleless fighters like Tommy Morrison or Shannon Briggs would be at the top of the tree. The Klitschkos dont impress me at all, and I'm backing David Haye and Sam Peter, two genuinely exciting and crippling punchers to inject some life into this wasteland of a division

sam peter...

lol.

i guess your not a klitchko fan?

[Leo Pradun]

thats what I thought nobody has nothing to say?

[Johnny Rebel]

Lewis beat everybody around. Everyone who was anyone during Lewis's reign he beat, even if he did get shocked by McCall and Rahman in the first outing.

And Lewis's heavyweight division was considerably stronger than today's.

Wlad has also beaten everyone around and continues to do so. If Lewis losses can be swept under the rug than so can Wlads. Wlad has also vastly improved since his last loss with Manny Stewart training him.

[Randall_Hopkirk]

Wlad has also beaten everyone around and continues to do so. If Lewis losses can be swept under the rug than so can Wlads. Wlad has also vastly improved since his last loss with Manny Stewart training him.

I don't think Len's losses were "swept under the rug" in so much he avenged both losses the first by making his opponent cry and the second by devastating KO. I get the feeling it's a skin colour issue with you otherwise your statements wouldn't sound so foolish.

[!!Captain]

The Klitschkos dont impress me at all, and I'm backing David Haye and Sam Peter, two genuinely exciting and crippling punchers to inject some life into this wasteland of a division

Thank you for your "short spiel", I don't think anybody would read your long one. It misses out on one thing though: Nobody is calling Klitschko brothers "great", so you're arguing with ghosts. It is my opinion that Vitali could have become one, had he started a pro boxing career earlier in his life and would not have so many injuries to deal with. Like his style or not, it was very effective and he was one tough mother, never been down, never lost more than a few rounds in any fight, including the ones he lost by TKO. If he makes it to the ring this time, I believe that he will destroy Peter.

As for your backing of Haye and Peter, you are discrediting yourself as you're backing up a fighter who's had one fight at HW and one fighter whose power is so overrated it's not even funny. Peter could not KO the same Wlad who you so despise, what is that telling you? Peter could not, in fact, KO any top 10 fighter in his life. What is that telling you? Peter lost his 1st fight with huffing and puffing Toney, who could barely move around the ring. What is that telling you?

You are delusional.

[Johnny Rebel]

I don't think Len's losses were "swept under the rug" in so much he avenged both losses the first by making his opponent cry and the second by devastating KO. I get the feeling it's a skin colour issue with you otherwise your statements wouldn't sound so foolish.

That doesn't change the fact he still got KTFO by inferior opponents. Skin color is an issue with a majority of the knuckleheads here unfortunately. That's why every elite Caucasian fighter gets ZERO credit and is always an "overrated bum who fought nobody." I could care less about skin color, unlike you, apparently!

[Mr. Philadel]

Lewis was not considered a "great" HW until he got a win over a way past his prime CW (Holyfield) and then beat a severley washed up Tyson. Those versions of Tyson and Holy would have little to no chance against Wlad.

Wlad has more convincing wins over better opponents then Lewis did. LL got KO by a crackhead and a bum. If LL is considered great then Wladimir has to be as well.

Wlad is not as GREAT as Lennox Lewis....not yet!! If Wlad could ever become the UNDISPUTED HW champ, then you can make a case...being the lineal champ is not the same as the UNDISPUTED champ!