Bad Chad Dawson: The Future

[Fox McCloud]

Thats a great picture. If Dawson shows a good chin in his fights with Johnson and Diaconu, than there is no one out there that could match his skill and talent and im not biased.

Hopkins would be out boxed. His ring smarts and tactics is no match for the younger, stronger, and a better pure boxer like Dawson. Dawson would not play into his hands. He would stick to his game plan and out work and out box Hopkins by unanimous decision.

Dawson/Calzaghe would be an interesting match up. I give Dawson the edge with his better power, better pure boxing ability, strenght, and the speed is probably the same. In his toughest test, i see Dawson out boxing Calzaghe by tight UD. When Calzaghe is forced to fight a tactical battle against fighters that could match his skill level, then he does not look as good. Which is why Hopkins will give him problems and why Dawson will beat him. Just look at the Robin Reid fight, and Dawson definatley has the skill.

Erdie is the weakest champion and went 8 rounds with Danny santiago. Yes, the bum that Tarver stopped in 4 and who didn't make weight for the contender show. Dawson would out box him badly. Besides, Erdie said that he is not interested in fighting here in the states and is only interested in defending his title against no name bums.

I seen that somone said that Dawson has not fought any ''bad asses''. Adamek was 31-0 when Dawson beat him and now, he is a ranked cruiserweight that could a cruiserweight champion by the end of this year. Not only did Dawson beat him, but he put on a mastful performance and dominated, despite being knocked down.

Like I said, Dawson doesn't suck (or at least his performances thus far haven't shown that, at all). The problem is that he hasn't been truly tested by a great fighter yet, or maybe he has... but they haven't come out yet. It could be the case that Tomasz Adamek really is a stellar fighter who was completely outclassed by a truly great fighter. That hasn't come out in the clear yet though.

I don't agree with your analysis about Hopkins by the way. Hopkins is a fighter who fights in a way that he controls the pace. Hopkins doesn't need his opponent to play into his hands in order to win the fight. It is incumbent on the opponent to find a way to get out of the Hopkins deep freeze. Dawson could do it, but a southpaw's nightmare is a stellar straight right counter. Hopkins has the best in the business. That being said, I am not sold that Hopkins beats him either. I just don't think we have enough information yet on whether Dawson could beat Hopkins. Dawson needs more experience though before he has a prayer of really clearly beating Hopkins. He might win a razor-close fight now, but he needs more ring experience if he really wants to make Hopkins look bad.

The Calzaghe fight would be an interesting challenge. They are both fast. Calzaghe would be coming up, so you are probably right about Dawson having the edge in power. The advantages for Calzaghe is his work rate, and his adaptability. He made a very technically gifted fighter in Kessler look pretty bad at times late in the fight. If Dawson finds a way to make sure that Calzaghe doesn't "spoil" Dawson's game plan, then he beats Calzaghe. If he can't find a way to do that, he is in trouble. The problem for Dawson is he doesn't have a blue print to work off of for the Calzaghe challenge, so no one has ever figured out how to get around Joe's workrate and his ability to get there first. There is also the problem of Joe Calzaghe having insane adaptability. Once again, I have no idea who would win the fight, because I am not comfortable making a call on this fight because I don't have nearly enough information on Dawson to make an educated guess about a fight between him and a very established, very good champion.

No idea about Erdei again, so I'm not going to dive into that.

And I think it is a stretch to call Adamek a badass at this point. Yes, he was 31-0, but who had he fought that was worth talking about? I'm not saying he's a bad fighter, because he is not, but it is a stretch to call him a badass that truly tested how good Dawson is.

Like I said, Dawson has proved that he is a good fighter. He needs someone great to prove whether he is great or not.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Like I said, Dawson doesn't suck (or at least his performances thus far haven't shown that, at all). The problem is that he hasn't been truly tested by a great fighter yet, or maybe he has... but they haven't come out yet. It could be the case that Tomasz Adamek really is a stellar fighter who was completely outclassed by a truly great fighter. That hasn't come out in the clear yet though.

He will be tested when he fought Johnson and Diaconu.

I don't agree with your analysis about Hopkins by the way. Hopkins is a fighter who fights in a way that he controls the pace. Hopkins doesn't need his opponent to play into his hands in order to win the fight. It is incumbent on the opponent to find a way to get out of the Hopkins deep freeze. Dawson could do it, but a southpaw's nightmare is a stellar straight right counter. Hopkins has the best in the business. That being said, I am not sold that Hopkins beats him either. I just don't think we have enough information yet on whether Dawson could beat Hopkins. Dawson needs more experience though before he has a prayer of really clearly beating Hopkins. He might win a razor-close fight now, but he needs more ring experience if he really wants to make Hopkins look bad.

Hopkins need his opponents to fight his fight because he aims to throw them off of thier game plan and frustrate them with his dirty tactics. Hopkins showed in the Taylor fight that he is simply too old to compete with any young top fighters, which is why he would rather look good and face fighters that are more close to his age range, like Wright,Tarver and Calzaghe.

Dawson would overwelme him. A counter right is effective to a southpaw but Dawson is far too quick and his defense is too superb to be countered by the slower Hopkins, especially at this point in his career.

Hopkins has really slowed down and i see Dawson being able to take advantage. I see him being the agressor in this fight and being able to counter Hopkin's lead right with his counter right upercut or straight left.

The Calzaghe fight would be an interesting challenge. They are both fast. Calzaghe would be coming up, so you are probably right about Dawson having the edge in power. The advantages for Calzaghe is his work rate, and his adaptability. He made a very technically gifted fighter in Kessler look pretty bad at times late in the fight. If Dawson finds a way to make sure that Calzaghe doesn't "spoil" Dawson's game plan, then he beats Calzaghe. If he can't find a way to do that, he is in trouble. The problem for Dawson is he doesn't have a blue print to work off of for the Calzaghe challenge, so no one has ever figured out how to get around Joe's workrate and his ability to get there first. There is also the problem of Joe Calzaghe having insane adaptability. Once again, I have no idea who would win the fight, because I am not comfortable making a call on this fight because I don't have nearly enough information on Dawson to make an educated guess about a fight between him and a very established, very good champion.

Calzaghe has a good work rate but he would also need an opponents that is going to be there in front of him in order to get his punches off, like Lacy and Kessler. I see Dawson as being too good of a pure boxer and counter puncher to let Calzaghe get away with the flaws he has. Like, brawling with frustrated, keeping his hands down when he believes he has his opponents where he wants them and not turning over on his punches. Dawson is the more accurate puncher os the two. Its also very rare when two southpaws meet so i see this as being a tactical chess match. (Which Calzaghe doesn't look at good in)

Calzaghe is a great champion and very fun to watch, but i believe that the younger champions will be too much for him to handle. Not that he is showing signs of wearing down, but i believe that his best days are behind him.

No idea about Erdei again, so I'm not going to dive into that.




And I think it is a stretch to call Adamek a badass at this point. Yes, he was 31-0, but who had he fought that was worth talking about? I'm not saying he's a bad fighter, because he is not, but it is a stretch to call him a badass that truly tested how good Dawson is.

Like I said, Dawson has proved that he is a good fighter. He needs someone great to prove whether he is great or not.

There is a strong possibility that Adamek could hold one of the cruiserweight belts by the end of the year or the begining of next year. He was a good champion and had the WBC belt when Dawson beat him. Adamek was only champion for 2 years so he didn't have much time to fight any of the big names. One good name that Adamek beat twice was Paul Briggs, who he took the belt from and was a top 10 lighht heavyweight champion at the time.

I would also say that Dawson was some what tested in that fight. After being knocked down, he showed that he had heart by getting up and winning the last two rounds.


[vBTube]JlmiYBKClfc[/vBTube]

[Fox McCloud]

He will be tested when he fought Johnson and Diaconu.

Fair enough, but that is still in the future, which I why I said the jury is still out on how great he is/will be.

Hopkins need his opponents to fight his fight because he aims to throw them off of thier game plan and frustrate them with his dirty tactics. Hopkins showed in the Taylor fight that he is simply too old to compete with any young top fighter.

I see him being out worked and out boxed, which is why he would rather look good and face fighters that are more close to his age range, like Wright,Tarver and Calzaghe. Dawson would overwelme him. A counter right is effective to a southpaw but Dawson is far too quick and his defense is too superb to be countered by the slower Hopkins, especially at this point in his career.

Hopkins has really slowed down and i see Dawson being able to take advantage. I see him being the agressor in this fight and being able to counter Hopkin's lead right with his counter right upercut or straight left.

I know you are a Dawson enthusiast, but I have seen a lot of Hopkins's work, and ever since he lost to Jones he has slowly been transforming into the defensive, dirty fighter he is. He doesn't need his opponent to agree to get pulled into those clinches, Bernard just grabs. Counter right, clinch. Counter right, clinch, etc.

Anyways, I don't think the Taylor bouts showed anything except that Hopkins is an idiot and still apparantly doesn't know that boxing is scored round-by-round. He ****ed away the early rounds and then dominated Taylor late.

Just remember, the straight right is the money punch against a southpaw. Hopkins's money punch is the counter straight right. It sounds like he really does hold the key to having a big advantage against Dawson.

Calzaghe has a good work rate but he would also need an opponents that is going to be there in front of him in order to get his punches off, like Lacy and Kessler. I see Dawson as being too good of a pure boxer and counter puncher to let Calzaghe get away with the flaws he has. Like, brawling with frustrated, keeping his hands down when he believes he has his opponents where he wants them and not turning over on his punches. Dawson is the more accurate puncher os the two. Its also very rare when two southpaws meet so i see this as being a tactical chess match. (Which Calzaghe doesn't lok at good in)

Calzaghe is a great champion and very fun to watch, but i believe that the younger champions will be too much for him to handle. Not that he is showing signs of wearing down, but i believe that his best days are behind him.

The crazy thing about Calzaghe is that he really is good enough to jump in and brawl. Everyone else seems to get caught, but Calzaghe is fast enough and unpredictable enough to do it. At least he has been good enough to do it so far. Maybe Dawson will have the vision to see it coming and stop him when he jumps in. I guess we will have to see if the fight ends up happening (which it won't).

Keep in mind that Kessler was a younger champion, and Calzaghe dominated him. Also keep in mind how technically solid Kessler was, and Calzaghe was able to make all that mean nothing. He could do it to Dawson, but it's not certain. A very interesting matchup to say the least.

There is a strong possibility that Adamek could hold one of the cruiserweight belts by the end of the year or the begining of next year. He was a good champion and had the WBC belt when Dawson beat him. Adamek was only champion for 2 years so he didn't have much time to fight any of the big names. One good name that Adamek beat twice was Paul Briggs, who he wook the belt from and was a top 10 lighth heavyweight champion at the time.

I would also say that Dawson was some what tested in that fight. After being knocked down, he showed that he had heart by getting up and winning the last two rounds.


[vBTube]JlmiYBKClfc[/vBTube]

I agree that Dawson's heart was tested, but that is not what I was talking about.

Adamek, good fighter, but is not exactly a fighter at the top tier of the sport. Even a Dawson can't actually say that Adamek is the best in or around the 175 weight class. There are clearly other fighters that will give Dawson a lot more of a challenge. If Dawson passes those future tests, then I will be sold on him enough to expect great things from him in the future.

As of now, I'm not sure what to expect, and I am shocked that so many people on this board already believe that Dawson will dominate everyone he fights and retire as an ATG. Dawson definately does not have enough ring exposure to be able to make those kind of claims yet IMO.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Fair enough, but that is still in the future, which I why I said the jury is still out on how great he is/will be.



I know you are a Dawson enthusiast, but I have seen a lot of Hopkins's work, and ever since he lost to Jones he has slowly been transforming into the defensive, dirty fighter he is. He doesn't need his opponent to agree to get pulled into those clinches, Bernard just grabs. Counter right, clinch. Counter right, clinch, etc.

I agree, prime Hopkins was one of the most craftiest, brilliant, and best tactical fighters that i have ever watched. But of course that was when he was in his prime. The man is pushing 43 and he is past his prime and his prime weight. His reflexis have slowed, hes not as quick as he used to be and his stamina is also decreasing. This is why Dawson would beat him convincingly, because he has all of these things and more. He is just too young and his weponary would be too much for Hopkins to handle at this stage.

Anyways, I don't think the Taylor bouts showed anything except that Hopkins is an idiot and still apparantly doesn't know that boxing is scored round-by-round. He ****ed away the early rounds and then dominated Taylor late.

Taylor simply out fought Hopkins IMO. Jermain was too big and strong for Hopkins to get away with the things he did against smaller opponents, like Oscar and Trinidad. Taylor also wouldn't fight Hopkins fight nor would he throw Jermain off his game plan.

Just remember, the straight right is the money punch against a southpaw. Hopkins's money punch is the counter straight right. It sounds like he really does hold the key to having a big advantage against Dawson.

Hopkins would need more to his arsenal than a straight right, a punch that i dont see him landing often because of his slowed reflexis and Dawson's slick counter elsuive counter punching style. Dawson has the advantage in speed, power, age, stamina, and pure boxing ability. Dawsons counter punching would be more effective in this fight.

The crazy thing about Calzaghe is that he really is good enough to jump in and brawl. Everyone else seems to get caught, but Calzaghe is fast enough and unpredictable enough to do it. At least he has been good enough to do it so far. Maybe Dawson will have the vision to see it coming and stop him when he jumps in. I guess we will have to see if the fight ends up happening (which it won't).

I agree, Calzaghe is very okward, slick, and unpredictible. But look at what happened when he fought an opponents that could match his skill level (Robin Reid). He did not look as good because he was dealing with a fighter that he could not do these things too. With Dawson's counter punching skills and boxing ability, i see Calzaghe not taking any chances and fighting a tactical battle.

Keep in mind that Kessler was a younger champion, and Calzaghe dominated him. Also keep in mind how technically solid Kessler was, and Calzaghe was able to make all that mean nothing. He could do it to Dawson, but it's not certain. A very interesting matchup to say the least.

Kessler was a younger champion but he was one demensional in many ways. He was a flat footed fighter and a basic text book boxer. Calzaghe knew that he would be too much for him and that he could out box Kessler, which is why he took the fight. Dawson is more veristale, slick, better boxer, up on his toes, and just the all around more complete fighter than Kessler is. He just alot more in his arsenal than Calzaghe does. Dawson's pure boxing ability is also better than Calzaghe's to be honest. He has that Classic text book style and has better defence.

Adamek, good fighter, but is not exactly a fighter at the top tier of the sport. Even a Dawson can't actually say that Adamek is the best in or around the 175 weight class. There are clearly other fighters that will give Dawson a lot more of a challenge. If Dawson passes those future tests, then I will be sold on him enough to expect great things from him in the future.

As of now, I'm not sure what to expect, and I am shocked that so many people on this board already believe that Dawson will dominate everyone he fights and retire as an ATG. Dawson definately does not have enough ring exposure to be able to make those kind of claims yet IMO.

Ademek was a good champion and he did not get the oppurtunity to get the big fight because Dawson put an end to that. People underrate Ademak because Dawson dismantled him so easily and i do not get that. He was a young undefeated champion that ran into an even better fighter.

You make good points and i agree that Dawson needs to prove more, but i just know a good fighter with the potental to be great when i see one.

[Degsy]

I agree, prime Hopkins was one of the most craftiest, brilliant, and best tactical fighters that i have ever watched. But of course that was when he was in his prime. The man is pushing 43 and he is past his prime and his prime weight. His reflexis have slowed, hes not as quick as he used to be and his stamina is also decreasing. This is why Dawson would beat him convincingly, because he has all of these things and more. He is just too young and his weponary would be too much for Hopkins to handle at this stage.




Taylor simply out fought Hopkins IMO. Jermain was too big and strong for Hopkins to get away with the things he did against smaller opponents, like Oscar and Trinidad. Taylor also wouldn't fight Hopkins fight nor would he throw Jermain off his game plan.




Hopkins would need more to his arsenal than a straight right, a punch that i dont see him landing often because of his slowed reflexis and Dawson's slick counter elsuive counter punching style. Dawson has the advantage in speed, power, age, stamina, and pure boxing ability. Dawsons counter punching would be more effective in this fight.




I agree, Calzaghe is very okward, slick, and unpredictible. But look at what happened when he fought an opponents that could match his skill level (Robin Reid). He did not look as good because he was dealing with a fighter that he could not do these things too. With Dawson's counter punching skills and boxing ability, i see Calzaghe not taking any chances and fighting a tactical battle.
Kessler was a younger champion but he was one demensional in many ways. He was a flat footed fighter and a basic text book boxer. Calzaghe knew that he would be too much for him and that he could out box Kessler, which is why he took the fight. Dawson is more veristale, slick, better boxer, up on his toes, and just the all around more complete fighter than Kessler is. He just alot more in his arsenal than Calzaghe does. Dawson's pure boxing ability is also better than Calzaghe's to be honest. He has that Classic text book style and has better defence.




Ademek was a good champion and he did not get the oppurtunity to get the big fight because Dawson put an end to that. People underrate Ademak because Dawson dismantled him so easily and i do not get that. He was a young undefeated champion that ran into an even better fighter.

You make good points and i agree that Dawson needs to prove more, but i just know a good fighter with the potental to be great when i see one.

All very good points and I hope Chad beats Glen to set something up with Joe. The only factor you might want to bring into the equation with the Reid fight is that Calzaghe ****ed his left up in round 4 (there is also mention that he had food poisoning, but I'd take that with a pinch of salt)

[Truth]

That is Great with a capital G.

[2501]

Chad Dawson: The NOW!!!!!!

What a great preformance by Dawson. True, a lot of the punches from his combinations were blocked by Tarver, but they were still effective in helping control the fight and nuertralizing Tarver's output. I'm in love with Dawson's ring movement and he's improved a bit in his defense though he sometimes still stands too much allowing his opponent to get off.

Great win for Dawson!