Marquez Didn't Impress Pacquiao

[evosbm]

"chicken" just reminds me...Where's evosbm?

sorry man, been busy lately. i've seen BH-DLH fight but i missed JMM-Salido. according to everyone who saw the fight whether inclined or not to boxing, they all said it was sooooooo boring! JMM fans said JMM doesnt want to risk it with a nobody and was just being careful. man, they said it themselves, the opponent was nobody! what do you call a guy who fears he might lose with a NOBODY?.... i wonder

[evosbm]

1)To say that he won 9-10 rounds would have given Marquez about a 116-110 score. Everyone saw a close fight, so how is it that you scored it lopsided for Marquez, considering he was down 4 points after 2 rounds?

2)How many Pacquiao fights have you watched to say that he never showed heart? Heck, MAB match should have been enough. But seriously, how many?

YOU haven'nt seen his heart yet. Pac fans has.

3)If you have to pick yourself up 3 times in a boxing match and "win 9-10 rounds" to show heart, please tell me another boxer that has heart(who picked themselves up 3 times and win teh next 9-10 rounds)?

Please eanswer my questions Hurlex, I'm very very curious

now that's what i say wisdom.

[JaNnO]

Of course Pacquiao is gonna say he is not impressed. He doesnt feel like promoting him for nothing. As an example when Pacquiao thought he was gonna fight Barrera again and Barrera had just beat a old, slow, and no longer Hungry ayala. Pacquiao said he was impressed. Promotions = Money.

Everytime the Pacman speaks is like promoting himself. Therefore,it doesn't matter to him what he says about a particular boxer or a particular fight. Any fighter that he mentions gets a free promotion. Pacquiao said that because HE WASNT IMPRESSED BY PACQUIAO, plain and simple.

I'm still amazed at how a simple remark can have a gazillion meaning to many people.

[JaNnO]

sorry man, been busy lately. i've seen BH-DLH fight but i missed JMM-Salido. according to everyone who saw the fight whether inclined or not to boxing, they all said it was sooooooo boring! JMM fans said JMM doesnt want to risk it with a nobody and was just being careful. man, they said it themselves, the opponent was nobody! what do you call a guy who fears he might lose with a NOBODY?.... i wonder

"JUST-GOT-LUCKY BEATABLE GUY"

[JaNnO]

Damn! mooks, what a fine avatar you got up there!!!

[abdiel2k3]

it was obviously a fight he just needed to win and didnt care in what fashion it was exciting or not
personaly i enjoyed
what great combinations
strong hits from both hands
it may not have been very competitive
but i liked it
besides no ones mentioning dats just how he fights
the first round agaisnt pac he went down cuz he tryed 2 be the agressor just not his style
in the later rounds he returned to his countering with a lil agression
much like this fight
hes like hopkins he does what needs to be done
thats why he was always overshadowed by Morales and MAB

[m00ks]

it was obviously a fight he just needed to win and didnt care in what fashion it was exciting or not
personaly i enjoyed
what great combinations
strong hits from both hands
it may not have been very competitive
but i liked it
besides no ones mentioning dats just how he fights
the first round agaisnt pac he went down cuz he tryed 2 be the agressor just not his style
in the later rounds he returned to his countering with a lil agression
much like this fight
hes like hopkins he does what needs to be done
thats why he was always overshadowed by Morales and MAB

JMM were missing his counters when Salido stepped out....
It's gonna be a very very interesting rematch. Personally I'm more excited about the day after rather than the fight. Guess why.

[grayfist]

it was obviously a fight he just needed to win and didnt care in what fashion it was exciting or not
personaly i enjoyed
what great combinations
strong hits from both hands
it may not have been very competitive
but i liked it
besides no ones mentioning dats just how he fights
the first round agaisnt pac he went down cuz he tryed 2 be the agressor just not his style
in the later rounds he returned to his countering with a lil agression
much like this fight
hes like hopkins he does what needs to be done
thats why he was always overshadowed by Morales and MAB

Giving credit where credit is due, Marquez is one of the best counter-punchers that has emerged in recent years; his record speaks eloquently of how much power is behind those counter-punches. Having said that, let me quickly add that counter-punchers throughout the ages ply their trade on the basis of one dictum: "let the opponent bring the action to me." That being so, they focus on how and where they can hit their on-coming foe and less on avoiding the punches the foe is throwing. Marquez's continually bleeding nose in Pacquiao-Marquez, the three knockdowns in one round in the same fight, and the lump under Marquez's eye in Marquez-Salido are recent testimonials that not only can Marquez be hit, he can be hit BIG! The Pac knockdowns were not Marquez's firsts; he fell to lesser foes, previously. It is from these knockdowns that the legend of Marquez's great recuperative powers has been woven. He came back each time he fell, not the least of which were those in the Pacquiao fight. But what if Marquez gets hit by a real whammy! Pacquiao through much of each of rounds in their meeting devoted his efforts on doing that but never got to doing it. Salido, like Medina, Gainer and others, before them, doesn't have enough power to even merely contemplate the possibility of doing that. Nonetheless, Salido showed how to open Marquez up: not the way Manny tried to do it-- setting up with a light jab for a left straight for which Marquez with his ring experience easily wises up to-- but to dish out a plethora of punches that not only takes Marquez out of any counter-punching rhythm but put Marquez back on his heels. Counter-punchers do not punch effectively while backing up, with the exception of Ali whenever he went on a counter-punching mode in his prime. Barrera is also one of the best counter-punchers. But when he was taken off his rhythm and overwhelmed by Pacman's punches, he cracked. Notice how he insisted to the ringside doc that the fight should be stopped because of his cut? First time ever I saw Barrera craving to get out of the ring fast! His mind was scanning for excuses-- "honorable" ways out-- instead of solving the pressing Pacquiao problem he was facing. Barrera had brain surgery in 1997; was this why he was worried and wanted that quick, albeit, "honorable" exit? Whatever the reason, the fight showed that Pacquiao's hand speed, footwork quickness, menu of punches (if he uses it instead of relying too much on a jab-straight combo) and power, combined, can mean "lights out!" for an excellent counter-puncher such as Marquez, as they meant to Barrera. As for Morales, of the three M's, he has the best jab and he is not shy about using it extensively and well when opportunity presents itself. Barrera's jab which he used against Hamed went on leave in the Pacquiao fight. Marquez just waited for the chance to counter. Will Morales jab Pacquiao silly before dishing out his best? If he does can Paquiao get past the Morales jab? He'll try, I'm sure; but can he? The jab can be what would dictate the character of the fight. Maybe Manny should replace that often pawing jab of his with something a bit more telling. As for defense, Manny showed in the Barrera fight that he can shoulder roll; not as well as the best exponents of that skill but well enough. With Marquez, that shoulder roll was invisible. Freddie Roach is in for some real work.

[baliw_nga]

Pacquiao is just being honest, JMM-Salido is a sleeper, unlike the MAB-Ayala fight which was a lot more action packed. JMM style is always boring, he's always waiting for the other guy to initiate the action and if the other guy doesnt have the guts to commit, the fight deteriorates into a dancing match.

[mr. bojangles]

Excellent post there grayfist.

Counter-punchers do not punch effectively while backing up.