cotto will crush judah, its not even worth thinking about.
judah's damaged goods, cotto's in his prime.
judah's damaged goods, cotto's in his prime.
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I have YET to hear any complex or detailed analysis on WHY Cotto can win.
It's just "Zab will fade, Zab will get rocked, Cotto is too much.."
Some of us are talking abouy dropping real money on this.
Help out, drop some ****ing science on this scenario.
That's why Robo and I bumped this thread again.
Anyone who wants to see mine please let me know. I have Zab.Comment
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Originally posted by Addison View Post
cotto will win because he's a better, more technically sound, more consistent fighter.... zab carries his hands low and backs str8 up, dangerous for a guy with questionable chin... zab's saving grace is speed and power, but even that cant save him against limited, mediocre fighters(baldy), who are strong, tough and determined....
if you're putting money on zab, you have to:
1) hope he's focused and comes ready to fight
2) hope he doesnt get cracked hard the entire night
lastly, zab is 1-3 in big fights with his lone win coming against a guy with no power and he still got knocked down and lost to the guy...Comment
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Thanks for bringing something more substantial.Originally posted by guru View Post
Here's some observations I had, tell me what you think:
Ok, I think Cotto may lack the specific weaponry Judah has been susceptible to in the past. The long/extended straight right hand. At least; I don't see Cotto as a guy that throws those Tommy Hearns, Vernon Forrest type extendo shots that foil speedsters like Mosley, Meldrick, and Zab.
I saw Zab getting busted up with it by Mayweather. That's how Kostya did him, and Baldomir changed the whole fight with that punch and almost KO'd Zab with it.
Cotto likes to bull and bore his way in. Zab can stick and move all night if he wants to. He can also load up on a guy who clutches like Miguel does.
He can get off power shots with very little space - in transition.
How many chances will Cotto give Zab to take his head off?
I'm thinking it's going to be one too many.
Too many.
And Cotto doesn't have the chin to match his style.
Let's be fair, Zab has a better chance of avoiding getting hit with those turbo skates.
If it's a battle of the chins as some people are claiming?
Who's chin does everybody think is going to get checked first?Comment
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if zab doesn't catch cotto with a huge punch early in the fight, cotto is going to wear him down with bodyshots and stop zab.
even if zab hurts cotto i don't think he can finish him, i think that he'd let cotto off the hook, plus cotto has pretty fast recouperating skills, zab on the other hand doesn't have as good as recouping abllities as cotto.
either way you look at it, the fight is pretty interesting and more than likely won't go the distance....................
but i see cotto stopping zab in about the 8th or 9th round, due to zab wearing down from the bodyshots of cotto.Comment
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All of these analysis are based on the notion that Judah will make very basic errors, and foresake his natural advantages. That's thin.
True however; that is what has done him in, in the past.
Cotto will not win based on physical characteristics.
Let's just drop that line of argument right here.
He's plodding, he clutches, he has to get set, and he has no advantage in any area of speed, power, reflexes, footwork, ect.
And BOTH have questionable chins. Let's drop that too.
So the argument is: Zab will lose because Zab is a brat/punk/*****.
Those arguments I could make myself.
But he ain't going to fold up on Cotto.
He believed Floyd was the better man before, during, and after their fight.
He clowned like a spoiled girl when he fought Baldomir.
And he was way too ****ing cute with Kostya.Comment
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The right that baldomir landed was a totally different kind of punch than kosta nailed him with. to be honest mayweather and cotto's right are much more similiar comparisons.Originally posted by Addison View PostThanks for bringing something more substantial.
Here's some observations I had, tell me what you think:
Ok, I think Cotto may lack the specific weaponry Judah has been susceptible to in the past. The long/extended straight right hand. At least; I don't see Cotto as a guy that throws those Tommy Hearns, Vernon Forrest type extendo shots that foil speedsters like Mosley, Meldrick, and Zab.
I saw Zab getting busted up with it by Mayweather. That's how Kostya did him, and Baldomir changed the whole fight with that punch and almost KO'd Zab with it.
Cotto likes to bull and bore his way in. Zab can stick and move all night if he wants to. He can also load up on a guy who clutches like Miguel does.
He can get off power shots with very little space - in transition.
How many chances will Cotto give Zab to take his head off?
I'm thinking it's going to be one too many.
Too many.
And Cotto doesn't have the chin to match his style.
Let's be fair, Zab has a better chance of avoiding getting hit with those turbo skates.
If it's a battle of the chins as some people are claiming?
Who's chin does everybody think is going to get checked first?
Cotto doesnt clutch unless he's in trouble he does fight on the inside which I have yet to see Zab do.
Cotto doesnt bore his way inside, he's actually pretty patient and punches his way in, if Zab can hold his ground and make Cotto miss in those situations he has a good chance to be effective
Cotto will need to use footwork to avoid the straight left of Zab at least long enough to get to his body and force Zab to go backwards. Once Zab starts moving backwards the fight will be all but over. Cotto has some weapons that are usually overlooked by most of his past opponents:
a very strong and quick left jab
a quick straight right, while not one punch KO quality very short and quick and capable of damage
underated D
underated movement
Zab will be looking to land his straight left, and left uppercut.
Cotto will be looking to land liver shots, left hooks and his straight right
I truly believe Zab will need to end this quickly or at least get a lot of respect early on to have a shot.
both are capable of victoryComment
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You know, I think this really has to do with which Zab will show up. If Zab shows up in the condition he was in against Floyd, then I'm going with a Zab UD. IF he ****s around and comes in unprepared and unfocused like he did against Baldy, then he's going to get hurt. He may make it to a decision but I can see him dancing or going down once or twice if he's in poor condition.Comment
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Excellent analysis.Originally posted by freedom213 View Post
Why would Zab need to fight on the inside? That's not nescessary.
He can tattoo Cotto and move the way Floyd did against Corrales, the way Hopkins did Trinidad. He has the legs and reflexes to do it. He was doing that to Floyd in the initial rounds of that fight. He can do it, and has done it.
Cotto is begging to get clowned by a fighter with superior athletic ability.
As far as the difference between the punch that Kostya threw, and the one that Baldy threw my point is this; Cotto doesn't have either one.
Cotto hooks his punches and preferably needs a stationary target to land.
Wind up doll attack.
He did do a great job of battering Quintana around the ring, but he was not a world class opponent. Quintana is as much of a victory for Cotto as Martell was for Judah. And Judah KD'd Martell 5 times in the first round on the way to a TKO1.
Another thing; Cotto's class of opposition has been laughable in some cases.
Judah has the experience advantage against the elite.
He also has all the physical advantages.
Where we end up with Cotto as the victor is beyond me... I suppose it has something to do with this perception regarding momentum.
Bottom line:
Zab has the greatest advantage of all. He KNOWS what Cotto is going to do.
Cotto does NOT know what Zab is going to do.Comment
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I think Zab will come in the best possible shape and will show amazing speed. He'll probably win the first two or so rounds until Cotto times him and starts counter punching with hooks. Cotto is gonna cut the ring and take everything away from Zab. Cotto by mid rounds KO.Comment
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