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Originally posted by travestyny View PostTell me, am I allowed to defend my quotation against your interpretation? Yes or no? Seems you are saying I'm not allowed to do that.
OF COURSE!!!!
Once you accept the challenge then you can try to defend why you believe that those statements meant that ANYONE (eg. EXPERT) that has EVER called it a threshold type test were wrong when they called it a threshold type test.
I questioned you back then and mentioned that it was stated at other times by others (not just me) and I asked you how can those EXPERTs be WRONG when they said it? You said that you had your proof on why they were WRONG! You kept on stating CLEARLY a BILLION times that the BAP test cannot be a threshold type test, for example. You can prove that you were right and that those experts were wrong when they called it that and that meant that I was wrong when I mentioned that others have called it a threshold test.
ADP02
Just to refresh your memory:
Question: You said it is not a threshold type test.
a) Why did BOTH sides call it a threshold test in that case that you referenced?
b) In my post, even WADA expert Segura calls it a threshold test. Was the expert wrong?
c) Others called it that too! Are they all wrong?
Travestyny
Question A, B, and C:
THE COURT FOR ARBITRATION OF SPORT HAS CORRECTED ANYONE THAT HAS EVER CALLED THIS A THRESHOLD TEST A NUMBER OF TIMES....BECAUSE IT IS NOT A THRESHOLD TEST!!!!!
THE ONLY THING THAT WAS EVER REFERRED TO AS A THRESHOLD WAS THE OLD WAY OF TESTING: THE BAP. AND THE COURT EVEN SAID THAT IS NOT A THRESHOLD TEST.
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Originally posted by ADP02 View PostOF COURSE!!!!
Once you accept the challenge then you can try to defend why you believe that those statements meant that ANYONE (eg. EXPERT) that has EVER called it a threshold type test were wrong when they called it a threshold type test.
I questioned you back then and mentioned that it was stated at other times by others (not just me) and I asked you how can those EXPERTs be WRONG when they said it? You said that you had your proof on why they were WRONG! You kept on stating CLEARLY a BILLION times that the BAP test cannot be a threshold type test, for example. You can prove that you were right and that those experts were wrong when they called it that and that meant that I was wrong when I mentioned that others have called it a threshold test.
You're missing one question, son. Waiting for that answer!
BY THE WAY, YOU'RE AN IDIOT AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET DESTROYED! BUT YEA, WAITING FOR THAT LAST ANSWER
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why the actual fvvck are you refusing to answer my question:
ADP, do you accept the permanent ban challenge based on what you yourself have stated is the main point of this challenge?
Originally posted by adp02 View Postafter 2 months, i decided to a duel. this was to prove that he cheated and lied the first time around.
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THIS DUDE STILL WON'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.
NOW WHO'S THE DUCK, ADP?????????
QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK QUACK
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ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS A PERMANENT BAN, ADP. BASED ON WHAT YOU YOURSELF SAID IS THE PURPOSE OF YOUR CHALLENGE, ADP. IT'S ALL RIGHT THERE, ADP.
Originally posted by ADP02 View PostAfter 2 months, I decided to a DUEL. This was to prove that he CHEATED and LIED the first time around.
IT'S NOT CHANGING THE SCOPE WHEN YOU SAID IT'S THE MAIN POINT OF THE CHALLENGE, RIGHT ADP? THERE IS GOING TO BE NO MORE ACCUSATIONS AFTER THIS. NO MORE CRYING FROM YOU. WE END THIS!
SO ONE MORE TIME. GIVE YOUR ANSWER AND DON'T DUCK IT:
Do you accept the permanent ban challenge based on what you yourself have stated is the main point of this challenge? IF NOT, PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY NOT!
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Travestyny and ADP02 have accepted the following challenge:
The judges will be verifying based on the challenge on the topic/scope stated here, who is right:
"Can EPO have a threshold type test criteria associated to its testing process?"
Judges duties: They will decide whether it can or cannot: YES it can or NO it cannot.
YES it can - ADP02 wins
NO it cannot - Travestyny wins
The exclusions that we agreed to:
- ABP testing related to EPO testing.
- Other non-threshold susbtances.
Anything from the start of EPO testing which was circa 2000 up to today is part of the scope. That is, the scope is not based on today's testing of EPO only. Evidence from any period can be used to come to their conclusion (YES or NO). That is, if an EPO test was deemed as a threshold type test criteria at any 1 time during any period (eg. year 2000) (eg 2. year 2018) means a YES, it CAN, else it is a NO, it cannot. So it is not based on anything theoretically possible in
the future but whether there was evidence at one point in time.
Travestyny used a case based on 2003 events to conclude that EPO testing did not and cannot ever have any threshold type test associated to it. Travestyny said that anyone that has ever said that there was were wrong. Travestyny based it on his interpretation of the CAS panel's statement. This will be included later.
ADP02 disagrees with Travestyny's interpretation since ADP02 believes that there have been threshold type tests related to EPO testing.
Both sides will have the opportunity to explain their side on why they believe that there was a threshold type test criteria (ADP02) or why there never was a threshold type test criteria (Travestyny) related to EPO testing.
CLOWN, the above is what this challenge/topic/scope is about!
I have been waiting for close to 150+ pages DUCKer!
Are you accepting this in it's entirety?
I said this already. The DUEL will decide whether you cheated and LIED. You win the challenge as per the scope/topic that I presented and you will have succeeded in your task. So your deflections are not even required!!!
Also, accepting the challenge is a step in the right direction. That is, accepting this challenge in its entirety. Anything less means that you are not accepting the challenge.
Any evidence that I provide between 2000 and 2018, the judges will decide if that meant that there can be a threshold type test. You need to defend it however you can or want but of course taking into account the scope/topic.
- You used those statements in our initial debate to defend yourself. This was to state what? That EPO testing cannot have threshold type test.
- When others have said that there can be threshold type tests. You did not agree. You said they were all wrong and the CAS panel's statement corrected them all.
I'm disagreeing with you. This is NOT a "got you game" from me. Either there can be a threshold type test or there cannot. You misinterpreted the CAS panel's statements. They were telling the athlete that it is not like threshold substances.
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Originally posted by adp02 View Post[
are you accepting this in it's entirety?
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Originally posted by adp02 View Posti said this already. The duel will decide whether you cheated and lied.
Great. So if you fail to prove that i cheated and lied, then you accept a permanent ban.
Deal?????
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Accepted.
Permanent ban is in effect! Let's do it.
Are you ready to look for judges?
BEFORE WE START WE NEED A POST FROM YOU STATING YOU AGREE TO THE PERMANENT BAN. I DON'T WANT YOU TRYING TO PVSSY OUT LATER.
SAY IT!
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WHY DOES IT TAKE THIS PVSSY SO LONG TO ACCEPT.
How many times do I have to ask????
ACCEPT THE FVVCKING PENALTY ALREADY!
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