Pac/Floyd investigation, documented punches (disputed rounds) blow by blow

[Spoon23]

Nothing is ever going to change no matter what you find. For me, the fact that Floyd ducked Pac at his peak and then refused to rematch Paquiao when he found out Pac had had a shoulder injury says everything you need to know.

No one is going to care about Floyd in a few years time. He's doing his best to keep his name in the news, but he's getting too old to even fight YouTubers now.

Absolutely **** on.

What's even more embarrassing once Floyd got his pairs of balls back after a long drama of prolonging this inevitable fight.

Floyd Mayweather fought like a ***** in the biggest super fight in History. RUN-TAP-HOLD is not beating another boxer. Floyd Senior said "Why you fighting like you scared".

Facts are Mayweather got caught with the IV. He applied for a waver after the fight and was granted it. How convenient he was given the waiver to cover his cheating ass. Fraud also received a pain injection for his hands while pac couldnt get one for his shoulder. Why was that? Floyd had spies in Pacs camp and knew about the shoulder. Twisted, punched it. Had home field advantage from site to judges, refs, commentators, and referees and still fought like a puss-ay..

Fl0mos don't have to take my word for it. His own father questioned his manhood.

[Stuntman Mike]

Absolutely **** on.

What's even more embarrassing once Floyd got his pairs of balls back after a long drama of prolonging this inevitable fight.

Floyd Mayweather fought like a ***** in the biggest super fight in History. RUN-TAP-HOLD is not beating another boxer. Floyd Senior said "Why you fighting like you scared".

Facts are Mayweather got caught with the IV. He applied for a waver after the fight and was granted it. How convenient he was given the waiver to cover his cheating ass. Fraud also received a pain injection for his hands while pac couldnt get one for his shoulder. Why was that? Floyd had spies in Pacs camp and knew about the shoulder. Twisted, punched it. Had home field advantage from site to judges, refs, commentators, and referees and still fought like a puss-ay..

Fl0mos don't have to take my word for it. His own father questioned his manhood.

Great Post the most important part is the blood doping which gives super physical advantages in performance

[Stuntman Mike]

lol You've been going in here hundreds of times trying to defend Floyd in this epic thread. Not once have you disputed the thread topic, because you can't. Story of all the Fl0mos in here.

Carry on.

He never disputes anything ,one of the worst posters on this site,whether he's uneducated or a troll I'm not sure but he never has any facts

[Spoon23]

He never disputes anything ,one of the worst posters on this site,whether he's uneducated or a troll I'm not sure but he never has any facts

lol that pic you got with those damn titieees still haunt me to this day hehe..


Anyway, going back to topic.. These floydiots haven't disputed anything after all these pages.. They know they can't.. This fight is a big fat rigged fight.

Yeah, this Scopedog, a Pompom Floyd shaker can never dispute anything after all this time.

They basically know deep down in their inner soul Floyd basically was running for majority of the 3 minute round from Manny and the other half of the time hugging looking like a lost pooch, and to keep the illusion Floyd's fighting, he will throw in the occasional lack luster jab or two just to help us remember we are watching a fight and not a trackmeet/makeout.

The biggest proof and witness for that is his old man crying in front of his son why are you fighting scared even if you're already juice up!

[Stuntman Mike]

lol that pic you got with those damn titieees still haunt me to this day hehe..


Anyway, going back to topic.. These floydiots haven't disputed anything after all these pages.. They know they can't.. This fight is a big fat rigged fight.

Yeah, this Scopedog, a Pompom Floyd shaker can never dispute anything after all this time.

They basically know deep down in their inner soul Floyd basically was running for majority of the 3 minute round from Manny and the other half of the time hugging look a lost pooch, and to keep the illusion Floyd's fighting, he will throw in the occasional lack luster jab or two just to help us remember we are watching a fight and not a trackmeet/makeout.

The biggest proof and witness for that is his old man crying in front of his son why are you fighting scared even if you're already juice up!

It's an absolute farce ...the *****s and pac haters won't even suggest the fight was close ...it was an absolute shut out in their eyes

Pacquiao won in my opinion in a close fight

I remember the first time I watched it I wasn't sure who was going to get the shout but when it was mayweather by a huge margin I remember feeling pac got ****ed again

It was as confusing as watching the Bradley fight the first time ..I second guessed myself

But upon watching it several times I could see different things that I'd missed before

Sometimes they throw at the same time and 9 out of 10 its pacquiao landing and the commentators think its mayweather landing..

Mayweather has a great poker face when a punch lands but he lost that fight..the most annoying thing is *****s won't even acknowledge the fight was close they just go to boxrec and spurt semen all inside their pants


Every single floyd win is a complete domination shut out and never controversial in their eyes

They are not to blame though it's the ****ing **** senile judges watching the fight that night and scoring it,tainting a fight by suggesting a complete domination then casuals and people with agendas can just blindly say things were a domination and they don't even need to argue the point other than say "who got the win" they maybe even truely believe it themselves

However anytime someone has a video or the famous "slo mo"
A ***** will never comment on it to suggest floyd won the fight they will just laugh it off and say they aren't watching a slo mo or whatever

I did see a really good highlight video that repeated the punches over when they go to punch at the same time and it's actually manny landing not mayweather..

[Spoon23]

It's an absolute farce ...the *****s and pac haters won't even suggest the fight was close ...it was an absolute shut out in their eyes

Pacquiao won in my opinion in a close fight

I remember the first time I watched it I wasn't sure who was going to get the shout but when it was mayweather by a huge margin I remember feeling pac got ****ed again

It was as confusing as watching the Bradley fight the first time ..I second guessed myself

But upon watching it several times I could see different things that I'd missed before

Sometimes they throw at the same time and 9 out of 10 its pacquiao landing and the commentators think its mayweather landing..

Mayweather has a great poker face when a punch lands but he lost that fight..the most annoying thing is *****s won't even acknowledge the fight was close they just go to boxrec and spurt semen all inside their pants


Every single floyd win is a complete domination shut out and never controversial in their eyes

They are not to blame though it's the ****ing **** senile judges watching the fight that night and scoring it,tainting a fight by suggesting a complete domination then casuals and people with agendas can just blindly say things were a domination and they don't even need to argue the point other than say "who got the win" they maybe even truely believe it themselves

However anytime someone has a video or the famous "slo mo"
A ***** will never comment on it to suggest floyd won the fight they will just laugh it off and say they aren't watching a slo mo or whatever

I did see a really good highlight video that repeated the punches over when they go to punch at the same time and it's actually manny landing not mayweather..

They were all in on it. Biased commentators, judges giving an obvious fake card (as proven in this thread) compublind helping Floyd pad his weak ass jabs, Usada turning a blind eye giving a TUE days after he got caught injecting IVs..

And all that, Floyd could only muster a hug and run tactics to the demise of the global crowd.. The boxing Fans lost that night..


These Floyd fan boys, shake their pom poms and forget FLOYD/USADA issue before giving him the credit.. These Floyd boys can't even talk about it.. aside from all the evidences showing Pac got robbed, just the cheating scandal alone is enough to call this fight invalid.. It should be a factor on top of so many factors why this fight was a farce, but they try to cover it up by not talking about the scandal.

This fight is antithesis of what to do in a Super Fight. And as the years has Past.. Floyd's resounding words of 'BANK ROBBERY BABY!' Is a voice that rings true to this day. The corrupt money that went in to protect the Golden Goose of Vegas has been stripped and exposed in this epic thread.


TBE - The Best Enhancer! TMT - The Medical Team!

[Stuntman Mike]

They were all in on it. Biased commentators, judges giving an obvious fake card (as proven in this thread) compublind helping Floyd pad his weak ass jabs, Usada turning a blind eye giving a TUE days after he got caught injecting IVs..

And all that, Floyd could only muster a hug and run tactics to the demise of the global crowd.. The boxing Fans lost that night..


These Floyd fan boys, shake their pom poms and forget FLOYD/USADA issue before giving him the credit.. These Floyd boys can't even talk about it.. aside from all the evidences showing Pac got robbed, just the cheating scandal alone is enough to call this fight invalid.. It should be a factor on top of so many factors why this fight was a farce, but they try to cover it up by not talking the scandal.

This fight is antithesis of what to do in a Super Fight. And as the years has Past.. Floyd's resounding words of 'BANK ROBBERY BABY!' Is a voice that rings true to this day. The corrupt money that went in to protect Golden Goose of Vegas has been stripped and exposed in this epic thread.


TBE - The Best Enhancer! TMT - The Medical Team!

The sad thing is if manny got the edge in a close fight like it was and like many believe he would have instantly rematched floyd as he would have wanted to seal the deal and give the fans a better more dominating account of himself or tried to at least

[Toyman]

It's an absolute farce ...the *****s and pac haters won't even suggest the fight was close ...it was an absolute shut out in their eyes

Pacquiao won in my opinion in a close fight

I remember the first time I watched it I wasn't sure who was going to get the shout but when it was mayweather by a huge margin I remember feeling pac got ****ed again

It was as confusing as watching the Bradley fight the first time ..I second guessed myself

But upon watching it several times I could see different things that I'd missed before

Sometimes they throw at the same time and 9 out of 10 its pacquiao landing and the commentators think its mayweather landing..

Mayweather has a great poker face when a punch lands but he lost that fight..the most annoying thing is *****s won't even acknowledge the fight was close they just go to boxrec and spurt semen all inside their pants


Every single floyd win is a complete domination shut out and never controversial in their eyes

They are not to blame though it's the ****ing **** senile judges watching the fight that night and scoring it,tainting a fight by suggesting a complete domination then casuals and people with agendas can just blindly say things were a domination and they don't even need to argue the point other than say "who got the win" they maybe even truely believe it themselves

However anytime someone has a video or the famous "slo mo"
A ***** will never comment on it to suggest floyd won the fight they will just laugh it off and say they aren't watching a slo mo or whatever

I did see a really good highlight video that repeated the punches over when they go to punch at the same time and it's actually manny landing not mayweather..

the floyd apologists in this thread have repeatedly demonstrated an inability to respond to the actual topic.despite clear evidence shown in the video, they will maintain that floyd won the fight based on the scorecards.

what they either dont understand or pretend to not understand, is that floyd had this whole event rigged in his favor from the start. the fact that floyd pays usada himself is a massive red flag. This essentially allows him to manipulate testing - in effect, the testing is not truly random, nor is it even properly conducted (e.g. floyd's abnormal T:E ratios). Floyd also turned down manny's offer that a positive ped test be accompanied by $5 million fine. another red flag. not surprisingly, this all culminates in floyd going into the fight loaded with illegal IVs (over 1,000% of the actual allowed threshold), without the commision's knowledge - all thanks to floyd and his cozy relationship with usada. thanks to this same relationship, floyd is granted a TUE about 2 weeks after the actual fight - can we say for sure that other fighters would receive the same benefit? evidence would suggest not - manny was denied an actual legal painkiller for his torn shoulder in the same fight. Given the lengths floyd went to ensure these advantages, it also shouldnt surprise anyone that floyd would be willing to pay off judges and commentators to frame the fight as if he was winning easily.

this is an uncomfortable topic for floyd fans. The mention of floyd's illegal ped usage is usually enough to drive them out of the thread and have them go defend other question marks about floyd's career (e.g. ducking / cherrypicking) in other threads.


with regards to the actual fight itself, again floyd fans don't seem capable of providing a convincing argument for which 7 rounds floyd won clearly. it does not take a genius to score a fight. whoever landed the cleaner and more effective punches should win. this is what floyd fans dont understand. they'll often argue things like "floyd was a defensive wizard" and "manny was swinging at air" - yet neither of these arguments actually suggests that floyd landed the cleaner punches. manny could easily miss 90% of his punches (not what actually happened, just an example), and still win rounds easily since floyd himself landed nothing of consequence in return. for the record, i thought manny displayed better defense and ring generalship than floyd (i don't consider backpedaling to be effective defense, unless you are able to successfully counter - floyd was not successful in this area).

another dumb argument i see thrown around is that the fight was more of a technical boxing match than a brawl, and hence floyd must have won since it was his style of fight. Once again, another display of ignorance from floyd fans - it seems that they think the fighters go into the fight telling the judges that they aim to fight a certain way and if the fight ends up differently, it means that fighter must have lost since the fight was not their style. In reality, what really matters is who landed cleaner and more effective punches in the majority of the rounds. The evidence we have here clearly points towards manny - whether it was in a "technical" match or a brawl.


also: If this were truly an easy fight for floyd, he would have rematched manny and made significantly more money than what he made against the legendary andre berto. floyd knew he lucked out once with only having to fight an injured manny and having the judges in his pocket.

[Spoon23]

the floyd apologists in this thread have repeatedly demonstrated an inability to respond to the actual topic.despite clear evidence shown in the video, they will maintain that floyd won the fight based on the scorecards.

what they either dont understand or pretend to not understand, is that floyd had this whole event rigged in his favor from the start. the fact that floyd pays usada himself is a massive red flag. This essentially allows him to manipulate testing - in effect, the testing is not truly random, nor is it even properly conducted (e.g. floyd's abnormal T:E ratios). Floyd also turned down manny's offer that a positive ped test be accompanied by $5 million fine. another red flag. not surprisingly, this all culminates in floyd going into the fight loaded with illegal IVs (over 1,000% of the actual allowed threshold), without the commision's knowledge - all thanks to floyd and his cozy relationship with usada. thanks to this same relationship, floyd is granted a TUE about 2 weeks after the actual fight - can we say for sure that other fighters would receive the same benefit? evidence would suggest not - manny was denied an actual legal painkiller for his torn shoulder in the same fight. Given the lengths floyd went to ensure these advantages, it also shouldnt surprise anyone that floyd would be willing to pay off judges and commentators to frame the fight as if he was winning easily.

this is an uncomfortable topic for floyd fans. The mention of floyd's illegal ped usage is usually enough to drive them out of the thread and have them go defend other question marks about floyd's career (e.g. ducking / cherrypicking) in other threads.


with regards to the actual fight itself, again floyd fans don't seem capable of providing a convincing argument for which 7 rounds floyd won clearly. it does not take a genius to score a fight. whoever landed the cleaner and more effective punches should win. this is what floyd fans dont understand. they'll often argue things like "floyd was a defensive wizard" and "manny was swinging at air" - yet neither of these arguments actually suggests that floyd landed the cleaner punches. manny could easily miss 90% of his punches (not what actually happened, just an example), and still win rounds easily since floyd himself landed nothing of consequence in return. for the record, i thought manny displayed better defense and ring generalship than floyd (i don't consider backpedaling to be effective defense, unless you are able to successfully counter - floyd was not successful in this area).

another dumb argument i see thrown around is that the fight was more of a technical boxing match than a brawl, and hence floyd must have won since it was his style of fight. Once again, another display of ignorance from floyd fans - it seems that they think the fighters go into the fight telling the judges that they aim to fight a certain way and if the fight ends up differently, it means that fighter must have lost since the fight was not their style. In reality, what really matters is who landed cleaner and more effective punches in the majority of the rounds. The evidence we have here clearly points towards manny - whether it was in a "technical" match or a brawl.


also: If this were truly an easy fight for floyd, he would have rematched manny and made significantly more money than what he made against the legendary andre berto. floyd knew he lucked out once with only having to fight an injured manny and having the judges in his pocket.

I agree. Floyd only gave rematches to guys he knew he could beat against easily to milk more money from the fans. He ran and ducked a rematch from Oscar, he took one-year retirement to duck after Oscar activated the rematch clause. He ran and ducked a rematch with Manny. He knew healthy Manny will blitz his ass and also include his illegal IV activity under the microscope so he can't juice in a rematch.

Manny gave all the boxers he beat one, two or even 3 rematches so they can improve and have a chance to beat him. That's what a man is confident of himself and is not afraid to lose. Mayweather is petrified by giving Manny a rematch and he knows that Manny will be at the crap out of him. He knows that Manny was handicapped by his shoulder and knows a two armed Pacquiao will be too much for him.

Floyd knows he got a gifted win. The fact Floyd can't get in the ring all this time is a testament of how scared he is to face Manny again. The money was always there. Floyd couldn't step up all these years even if he was harping he would since he knows he can't really win in a fair game. No IVs, No Bayless, No hand picked Judges equals Floyd undressed in the ring. Floyd knows he can't win. Those love taps and intentional foul clinching will not work in a rematch. I'm sure he knows Pac's team won't allow that in a second rodeo.

Therefore, without even throwing a punch in a rematch. Pac has won the argument in settling who truly deserves the W in the first fight and who's the coward among the 2 resonates as the time goes by.

[The Big Dunn]

It's an absolute farce ...the *****s and pac haters won't even suggest the fight was close ...it was an absolute shut out in their eyes

Pacquiao won in my opinion in a close fight

I remember the first time I watched it I wasn't sure who was going to get the shout but when it was mayweather by a huge margin I remember feeling pac got ****ed again

It was as confusing as watching the Bradley fight the first time ..I second guessed myself

But upon watching it several times I could see different things that I'd missed before

Sometimes they throw at the same time and 9 out of 10 its pacquiao landing and the commentators think its mayweather landing..

Mayweather has a great poker face when a punch lands but he lost that fight..the most annoying thing is *****s won't even acknowledge the fight was close they just go to boxrec and spurt semen all inside their pants


Every single floyd win is a complete domination shut out and never controversial in their eyes

They are not to blame though it's the ****ing **** senile judges watching the fight that night and scoring it,tainting a fight by suggesting a complete domination then casuals and people with agendas can just blindly say things were a domination and they don't even need to argue the point other than say "who got the win" they maybe even truely believe it themselves

However anytime someone has a video or the famous "slo mo"
A ***** will never comment on it to suggest floyd won the fight they will just laugh it off and say they aren't watching a slo mo or whatever

I did see a really good highlight video that repeated the punches over when they go to punch at the same time and it's actually manny landing not mayweather..

Why is it ok for you to have an opinion on the fight but if someone disagrees with that opinion and feels Floyd won by large margin that it’s only because they hate Manny?

I don’t think Manny won a close fight. The judges didn’t think Manny won a close fight. The majority of experts covering at ringside didn’t think Manny won. Yet you call names and criticize solely because we all had Floyd winning.

The people who think Manny won are diehard Manny fans who just can’t admit their predictions were wrong.

As to the videos, they are all made by Manny fans with a clear conflict of interest. Since when do after the fact, tainted, slowed down videos made by partisan fans a fair and impartial method to judge a fight?

Literally no other fight have posters utilized doctored videos to judge who won. Now this is acceptable for Floyd/ Manny only? Come on dude.

The Bradley fight was a clear robbery that everyone agrees about. The Floyd fight, only partisan fans with an axe to grind suggest Manny won. That is a significant difference.