Pac/Floyd investigation, documented punches (disputed rounds) blow by blow

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That's another clear indication Travesty folded. When she goes and says, "Do you expect me to read all of that??"

The lamest excuse you can give to a forum where in you are suppose to read and debate in lmao

That sorry excuse for a human being doesn't have an ounce of fibre of honor in him, nor does he know how to follow rules. Like I said, look at the signs. You've downed her so many times. I lost count. You have totally ravaged her soul.

You the man!

Cheers!

That is more true since we are talking about Travestyny who loves to post to the point that he gets DQd!

He loves long posts ..... not anymore. Boo-hoo!

Travestyny loves to respond to long posts because he can DEFLECT .... but I provided to him too much evidence, too much TRUTH!!! He is crying!

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This thread has now reached 500,000 viewers!!

INCREDIBLE!!!


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I've been gone for over 2 months now and this epic thread still keeps on rocking and exposing the truth of the corruption of this fight. And I can see how hard pressed these Floyd fanboys are having a terrible time trying really hard defending Floyd while I was gone, working hard patching all those loop holes to save their hero from disgrace.





A testimony on how epic this thread has come about in shedding a light in exposing the obvious truth that this thread has brought forth, whether you're for Floyd or for Manny, there was no clear conclusion to who was truly the better man in this fight, as this thread has truly shown how fans are very much divided on who truly believes, deserves the win or if anyone actually deserves a win for that forgetful performance, especially for the defensive boxer who were playing it safe by running and hugging for 12 ***** rounds.

This thread also brings about the corruption in boxing and brings in focus the what not to do in a super fight of this magnitude. As we have realised in this fight, running around hugging for 12 rounds left a bad taste in most of the fans who felt robbed and cheated for watching this game of tag for 12 rounds of a lacklustre performance by the sports best boxers, and seeing that this was also riddled with PED IV gate scandal, post TUE given to the running hugging bigger man shows the extent of corruption in boxing. This fight will always be the model blueprint of what not to do in a Super Fight as It has become a fight that remains a constant reminder to us that nothing was truly concluded on who was the better man that night.

This thread proves that the fact that it has reached far and wide and gone 500,000 plus viewers, is now a testament to one of the most read epic threads in NSB. Showing how very much disappointed fans are for both sides. It brings about the underlying truth that fans that are left feeling robbed and empty after watching this farce of a a fight.

That said, these 2 boxers are still the most popular athletes of this generation. Yes they are old, yes they are not in their prime, but there is no mistake, there is no argument here, that to this day the biggest money fight out there in boxing is still Floyd Pac 2, since both of them have massive fan bases. The question is.. Does Floyd have the balls to finish this rivalry to a decisive conclusion and step up to the plate, and close the curtain one final time? I clearly doubt Floyd has the balls to finally conclude this by having a rematch and closing all doubts, since I truly believe this thread has shown with one healthy arm, Pac easily toyed with Floyd, as he played cat and mouse in the ring chasing an IV ridden for 12 energy diffusing rounds.

Floyd knows a 2nd rodeo will be too risky. A fake win is better than officially losing to Manny so I highly doubt he will tempt fate and risk throwing his fake win.

This EPIC thread will always be a constant reminder to us all that boxing fans are very much divided to this day on who truly won that night, and it will never have a clear cut definitive winner unless both men find away to conclude this. Is it too late for a rematch? Perhaps? Who to blame? It only shows that we as boxing fans have been robbed of a true conclusion. Imagine, Marvin Hagler vs Leonard never having a rematch? That's what this is about. A Floyd Vs Manny is still the biggest fight in PPV to make. Can Clearly make 2 Million buys easily, and yet the one they call Money May doesn't want a 2nd Rodeo. That speaks volumes who's having second thoughts.

Legacy will always be defined by an athletes actions. They maybe old and washed up, but what this thread has exposed. We fans were deprived of a true winner. That's just how the truth has taken us for a ride. A fake win is a fake win and will forever be a fake win, and to finish of with no definitive conclusion shows who is really ***** of being called a true Legend of the game.


Listen to Your Uncle Roger, Floyd. He seems to know what's best for you..


Jenna J: If Floyd does that, where does that put him amongst the greats?

Roger Mayweather: That would put him amongst the greatest fighters, but Floyd had a good, long legacy anyways. He will be amongst some of the greatest fighters but hes got to close the thing with Pacquiao before he ever does that, because thats one of the known guys that people respect and I think thats the guy that he's gonna have to beat or have to show something with.

Even Roger Mayweather knows Floyd didn't conclude anything that night.






A MESSAGE FROM FLOYD TO HIS FANS.

Straight from the horses mouth:

Floyd Mayweather: " I owe them for the Pacquiao fight "







Floyd was in Manila to talk to Manny? Has Floyd grown a pair? Only time will tell..



This Is How Floyd Mayweather Jr Will be Remembered against Manny if he doesn't find his way to man up for a rematch.




Lomachenko the best P4P fighter of today after watching the fight LIVE: Manny Pacquiao beat floyd Mayweather

I must say CONG**** on 500,000 viewers!!!!!!


About 10 or so pages ago, some Floyd die hard fan wanted to take me on to see who won round 3 ..... but he is nowhere to be seen now!

These Floyd fans all said Floyd did win easily that round but when I tell them to take me on and show me proof. Well, they go verify that round and then go into hiding! LOL

The TRUTH is that Floyd didn't win that round easily and in fact lost round 3!!!!


The debate continues!!!! Nice job!!!






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That is more true since we are talking about Travestyny who loves to post to the point that he gets DQd!

He loves long posts ..... not anymore. Boo-hoo!

Travestyny loves to respond to long posts because he can DEFLECT .... but I provided to him too much evidence, too much TRUTH!!! He is crying!

Exactly, the hypocrisy that is Travesty, continues.

[Spoon23]

I must say CONG**** on 500,000 viewers!!!!!!


About 10 or so pages ago, some Floyd die hard fan wanted to take me on to see who won round 3 ..... but he is nowhere to be seen now!

These Floyd fans all said Floyd did win easily that round but when I tell them to take me on and show me proof. Well, they go verify that round and then go into hiding! LOL

The TRUTH is that Floyd didn't win that round easily and in fact lost round 3!!!!


The debate continues!!!! Nice job!!!






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Thanks!

Yup, indeed, we all can learn from this epic thread. The debate will never end until we find a definite conclusion, but since one man wants to stay retired. There won't be any definite conclusion, but only the truth and the pieces of facts that are left exposing who to blame in the supposed super fight that flopped. We now have the whole picture on who to blame in this mess of a rivalry. Culprits that taint this fights, IV drips, TUEs, corrupt drug agency's NSAC, USADA, OLD corrupt judges with bad eye sight wearing thick glasses as judges, biased go to ref, biased commentators, a boxer who decided to run and hug for 12 rounds in what is essentially the essence of what not to do in a super fight.

Only a rematch can remove this foul stench that has been left in this rivalry, to cleanse all the wrongness that gave a black eye in boxing. Like I said, Marvin vs Leonard had a rematch and to this day the fans are still divided who was better. What more if it was a stinkfest that we now call the Floyd vs Manny fight, that we only witnessed a cat and mouse marathon hugfest, and to this day not even a single rematch to settle this rivalry of this generation to prove who was the better man. If floyd will not step up, and you can bet your money he's more than likely will keep his fake win than to risk a rematch with a healthy Pac. Floyd will only more so, damage his legacy even more, since thread like this that exposes the truth truly shows the true winner was and is and will always be the Pacman. Floyd needs this rematch. Not Pac. Evidences points to a Pac win, and threads like this will always be a constant reminder of the foul play that happened in the biggest stage in boxing.


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[travestyny]

Travestyny is on a roll .... keeps on being on the WRONG end!


My reply to him, ... I made him see how WRONG Travestyny is.

Ever since I revealed the TRUTH with clear proof, he is now stating that ironically I'm writing too much . This means that Travestyny has realized the TRUTH!

Travestyny is WRONG!





BTW - My understanding is that Travestyny was "writing too much - posts (more than 5)" and was DQd in the process! LOL



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You wish, bltch. I'm just literally tired of embarrassing you. Seriously. I do this to you over and over. The last thing was the BAP and you got proven to be a moron and ducked another question added to my list of your ducked questions and deflections.

Now your new one is the ABP steroidal module. You have a sickness. You can't accept that you lost. But you're too pvssy to ask for a rematch, so you would rather keep writing paragraphs and pretending it means something to me. But as long as you pvssy out, I know that you don't even believe that bullshlt that you say, so shut the fvvck up already. You were destroyed 4-0 because you're a moron and you will never win this battle. Take it like a man, you little bltch.

Huh?? Me L? Naah.. that's you forte.

Time for another one.

Shame Shame Shame!!









It's time..

Sure. Go tell Bobby. This is what happened to him, and this is what would have happened to you if you had a pair of balls.

[travestyny]

DEFLECTOR, ADMIT THAT YOU ARE WRONG!!!!


I showed you so much evidence that it's coming out of your ears!!!

The WADA experts stated in previous cases, that case and its future that there are threshold tests!!!

You have NOT come up with any evidence stating why those WADA EXPERTs were wrong except for your COPY/PASTE statement that we now BOTH know that you were SO SO WRONG!!!!

Can a non-threshold substance have threshold type tests. You said good luck trying to find evidence .... Well I did and YOU DIDN'T!!!! This is what this was all about and you FAILED!!!!


Qualitative test results.:
I explained this to you multiple times including the first time. Maybe my fault for confusing you with the TRUTH but for YOU to still be WRONG after my explanations! That is just crazy!!!!


ABP
As I said way back when, I said that I will only be able to explain it with more posts later as EPO testing is very involved. Well, when I brought up ABP you couldn't get yourself to state the TRUTH. Why cheater? because you knew that they have threshold tests, that is why! Now in the thread and many moons later, you forgot that and finally admitted the TRUTH! Sorry!!!!


Like you tried to do in the past, you tried to use loop-holes to try to remove valid information that is used in the detection of EPO!

I said it from the start that ABP is indirect testing so that is not an issue here. Reason is that it is an indirect test for EPO!!!!!!

They are not separate but instead one can say that they are used to enhance their arsenal against EPO abuse!!!!

Multiple WADA documents state this and agree with me. Sorry!






Even the EPO document points to the use of ABP to establish anti-doping rule violations.




Now if you look at Provision 3.2, it clearly mentions ABP testing!!!!




TRAVESTYNY is SINKING!!!!!


TRAVESTYNY .... YOU ARE WRONG. THE WADA EXPERTs are RIGHT!

I'm with the WADA EPO EXPERTs. So that is why I am RIGHT!


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IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAY, YOU'D ACCEPT FOR A REMATCH WITH A LOSER PERMABAN, HOMIE. I'M TIRED OF BEATING THE ACTUAL SHlT OUT OF YOU.


WHEN YOU ARE READY TO PROVE HOW THIS:

EPO drug when it exceeds or
just human EPO if it does not exceed!

IS DIFFERENT FROM THIS:

there is no threshold above which it can be said there is non-human production of the substance

THEN COME SEE ME. IF NOT, I SUGGEST THAT YOU STOP BEGGING ME FOR ATTENTION AFTER I'VE KICKED THE SHlT OUT OF YOU TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN. YOU DUCK ALL OF MY QUESTIONS AND ONCE YOU'RE PROVEN WRONG, YOU MOVE ONTO SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY WRONG. YOU'RE AN ANNOYING PEST WHO CLAIMS HE IS ALWAYS RIGHT, BUT LOST TO ME 4-0, AND YOU CAN'T COME TO TERMS WITH IT. I EVEN OFFERED YOU A REMATCH AND YOU SHlT YOUR PANTS AND WON'T MENTION IT. SO SHUT THE FVVCK UP UNLESS YOU GROW SOME BALLS.

IT'S OVER!

[travestyny]

THIS IS THE LAST TIME I SMASH THROUGH YOUR INFORMATION, POINT FOR POINT, MR. DEFLECTING PIECE OF SHlT. THE ONLY THING TO SAY TO ME AFTER THIS IS THAT YOU WANT A REMATCH. IF YOU DON'T HAVE BALLS FOR THAT, DON'T EVEN THINK OF WRITING TO ME.

DEFLECTOR, ADMIT THAT YOU ARE WRONG!!!!


I showed you so much evidence that it's coming out of your ears!!!

The WADA experts stated in previous cases, that case and its future that there are threshold tests!!!

You have NOT come up with any evidence stating why those WADA EXPERTs were wrong except for your COPY/PASTE statement that we now BOTH know that you were SO SO WRONG!!!! :

You're full of shlt. Why won't you answer my question about the threshold for the BAP. I'll tell you why. Because the case said specifically that there is no numerical limit, and then went on to say that it does not represent a threshold. you know...the exact way that you tried to explain a threshold. Now you're moving on to the Athlete biological passport steroidal module. You idiot. that isn't about testing for EPO specifically or anything else specifically. Go look at the document and read about it you moron. It's TD2016EAAS I believe. Read up, fvvck boy. Then realize that you consistently bringing up the ABP doesn't help you f@ggot because this has nothing to do with the ABP except it being one of your deflections. The goddamn document even states that the reasons the markers could be off is due to high alcohol consumption, you idiot. What you are describing is testing for markers of use, you moron. I'm sorry that I have to explain this to you all the time, and apparently Dosumpthin has to explain it to you, too. Threshold substances use thresholds you imbecile. What you are talking about is NOT target testing for the substance, which was the ****ing topic of our discussion you squirming piece of shlt. You know why....BECAUSE THE ABP DOESN'T CHECK FOR EPO. It tests for Markers of use. When you test T/E ratio, you imbecile, it's not considered testing for an anabolic steroid, but checking for markers of it's use, which might be due to something that could even be legit. That you are squirming so hard to try to include the ABP means that you know you lost legit. Give the fvvck up.

Can a non-threshold substance have threshold type tests. You said good luck trying to find evidence .... Well I did and YOU DIDN'T!!!! This is what this was all about and you FAILED!!!!

NO IT CAN'T YOU DUMB FVVCK. ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT TESTING SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PROHIBITED SUBSTANCE. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE THINGS THEY USE FOR THE MARKERS OF USE WHICH BECAME THE ABP STEROIDAL MODULE, YOU IMBECILE. ONE DEFLECTION AFTER ANOTHER. GIVE THE FUVVCK UP. YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.

Qualitative test results.:
I explained this to you multiple times including the first time. Maybe my fault for confusing you with the TRUTH but for YOU to still be WRONG after my explanations! That is just crazy!!!!


ABP
As I said way back when, I said that I will only be able to explain it with more posts later as EPO testing is very involved. Well, when I brought up ABP you couldn't get yourself to state the TRUTH. Why cheater? because you knew that they have threshold tests, that is why! Now in the thread and many moons later, you forgot that and finally admitted the TRUTH! Sorry!!!!

Your rambling is incoherent. I laughed at you for bringing up the ABP and still do. Your simple simon ass thinks that I laugh at you because I'm deflecting, because that's how your brain works. I laugh at you because you're an imbecile and it delights me that you want to DEFLECT to the ABP. I've dared you to request the rematch because I know you don't believe what you say and if you did, you'd get smashed again easily. You know it and I know it. You got nothing and it's boring always beating the shlt out of you. I just DEMOLISHED you about the BAP, and now you're going on to more ABP. That's your last stand, and it's pitiful. Too bad, bltch.

Like you tried to do in the past, you tried to use loop-holes to try to remove valid information that is used in the detection of EPO!

I said it from the start that ABP is indirect testing so that is not an issue here. Reason is that it is an indirect test for EPO!!!!!!

They are not separate but instead one can say that they are used to enhance their arsenal against EPO abuse!!!!

Multiple WADA documents state this and agree with me. Sorry!






Even the EPO document points to the use of ABP to establish anti-doping rule violations.




Now if you look at Provision 3.2, it clearly mentions ABP testing!!!!




TRAVESTYNY is SINKING!!!!!


TRAVESTYNY .... YOU ARE WRONG. THE WADA EXPERTs are RIGHT!

I'm with the WADA EPO EXPERTs. So that is why I am RIGHT!


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LMAOOOO. And just like I said, all of that bullshlt about the ABP. LMAOOOOOOOOO.


That's check mate, as it's been for a year. Now anytime you want to respond to me, just read the above carefully. Thanks.

Ps. It's over bltch.


Oh, and since I know you will duck it, here's a little excerpt so you can see for yourself:

STEROIDAL PROFILE.


You're welcome bltch. LMAO!

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billeau2 was the only one who I did not see as a "friend" of the Mayweather Mafia judge. 3 of 4 judges were friends. You think that means nothing but that is easy to say when your Mayweather friend has the unfair edge!

We did mention up front that the judge would need to come up with a valid explanation of their vote to show no bias. 2 of 3 didn't provide any related explanation. 1 of the judges, I have no idea because the vote happened after I left the dome.

billeau2 is the only one who provided his reasoning that was related and asked for or if I had a rebuttal .... but he never came back while I was there. I had a legit explanation as to why his reasoning was not correct. Travestyny incorrectly used the WADA documentation and I could have provided the proof to him but as I said, he never heard my rebuttal!


Anyhoot, when you find out after the fact that the judges are all friends then that is not cool. I should have been aware of that from the start. Then I find out that the judge is even in the Mayweather Mafia group! That is a double no-no!!!!

Sorry, for me .... Travestyny is DQ'd as he was there as a friend too of Mayweather Mafia judge who had the listed as friends the other judges. If I didn't discover this, he would never have mentioned it.

Plus in my books, he cheated! Sorry.

He should have been DQd by the judges but they were nowhere to be found.



BTW - Several of Travestyny's "friends" gave him points including at least one of the judges.
Maybe they are closer than we think or felt sorry for him. Whatever. They are just points.

I actually told Travestyny beforehand that, if I win, I do not even want his points!

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I went back and searched for the original thread.

Willy Wanker was one of the other judges, he said he's been riding with Pacquiao since 2001 and that he gave an honest effort to judge with no bias or favoritism.

Another of the judges was Zaroku who is also no big Floyd fan.

They and billeau2 all voted against you. The proper thing at that point was to pay up on the bet and give travestyny his e-points.

But you still haven't done that to this day. It's been over a year now.

[travestyny]

billeau2 was the only one who I did not see as a "friend" of the Mayweather Mafia judge. 3 of 4 judges were friends. You think that means nothing but that is easy to say when your Mayweather friend has the unfair edge!

We did mention up front that the judge would need to come up with a valid explanation of their vote to show no bias. 2 of 3 didn't provide any related explanation. 1 of the judges, I have no idea because the vote happened after I left the dome.

billeau2 is the only one who provided his reasoning that was related and asked for or if I had a rebuttal .... but he never came back while I was there. I had a legit explanation as to why his reasoning was not correct. Travestyny incorrectly used the WADA documentation and I could have provided the proof to him but as I said, he never heard my rebuttal!


Anyhoot, when you find out after the fact that the judges are all friends then that is not cool. I should have been aware of that from the start. Then I find out that the judge is even in the Mayweather Mafia group! That is a double no-no!!!!

Sorry, for me .... Travestyny is DQ'd as he was there as a friend too of Mayweather Mafia judge who had the listed as friends the other judges. If I didn't discover this, he would never have mentioned it.

Plus in my books, he cheated! Sorry.

He should have been DQd by the judges but they were nowhere to be found.



BTW - Several of Travestyny's "friends" gave him points including at least one of the judges.
Maybe they are closer than we think or felt sorry for him. Whatever. They are just points.

I actually told Travestyny beforehand that, if I win, I do not even want his points!

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Tony Montana was on your friend's list too, liar, and still is.

Oh, and didn't you say this?

We BOTH thought that we were right. I KNEW THAT.

BUT it's NOT in our control. Its in the control of the judges, right? So it really doesn't matter what you or I think.

Explain, ADP02

[ADP02]

IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAY, YOU'D ACCEPT FOR A REMATCH WITH A LOSER PERMABAN, HOMIE. I'M TIRED OF BEATING THE ACTUAL SHlT OUT OF YOU.


WHEN YOU ARE READY TO PROVE HOW THIS:



IS DIFFERENT FROM THIS:



THEN COME SEE ME. IF NOT, I SUGGEST THAT YOU STOP BEGGING ME FOR ATTENTION AFTER I'VE KICKED THE SHlT OUT OF YOU TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN. YOU DUCK ALL OF MY QUESTIONS AND ONCE YOU'RE PROVEN WRONG, YOU MOVE ONTO SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY WRONG. YOU'RE AN ANNOYING PEST WHO CLAIMS HE IS ALWAYS RIGHT, BUT LOST TO ME 4-0, AND YOU CAN'T COME TO TERMS WITH IT. I EVEN OFFERED YOU A REMATCH AND YOU SHlT YOUR PANTS AND WON'T MENTION IT. SO SHUT THE FVVCK UP UNLESS YOU GROW SOME BALLS.

IT'S OVER!

I have answered this question many times and I keep on telling you that YOU ARE LOST!!!!

Lets just hope that this time, it will be different .... but if you finally understand it, just admit to you being WRONG and we can move on! YIKES!!!



Why? BECAUSE .... YOU are so CONFUSED!!!

One is a test when testing EPO while the other is discussing that it (EPO testing) is NOT a threshold substance!!!!


Without getting into the exceptions,
with the example threshold substance mentioned, this test was on 19-Norandrosterone substance ONLY. There is a substance and for this substance they can deduce that if it is over a threshold the sample collected contains non-human production of this substance, 19-Norandrosterone.

That is why they are saying:

There is no threshold above which it can be said there is non-human production of the substance

So if you are still lost, this means that the test is on a single substance ... That is, above or below the threshold, it is still the SAME SUBSTANCE as far as they could currently deduce as per that test!!!


With EPO, they were verifying the profile of the bands to verify whether or not there is also presence of rEPO substance.

rEPO is NOT the same substance as human EPO!!!!

With the test criteria that they do for EPO they can deduce whether there is also rEPO or possibly just human EPO.

EPO drug when it exceeds or
just human EPO if it does not exceed!

For a test criteria, if the intensity of the bands exceeds the threshold, it means that it is an identification of the presence of rEPO substance. As per the criteria, if it is below the threshold, they cannot state that there is rEPO substance. Hence, they will state as a test result, that there is only human EPO in the urine sample ..... but there are other possible criteria and tests that can differ with that single criteria that I mentioned as an example.

So the athlete and YOU are comparing apples with oranges. EPO testing is a comparison of sorts to identify if there is also rEPO substance or not while the example given and the threshold they spoke of is one and the same substance! Yes, it is that simple but you got all mixed up!

Like I said, you only know threshold substances!!!!


YOU ARE DEFINTELY ABSOLUTELY WRONG TRAVESTYNY.

The WADA EPO EXPERTs and others have called that test a threshold type. YOU ARE WRONG!!!!



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