Pac/Floyd investigation, documented punches (disputed rounds) blow by blow

[GhostofDempsey]

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1. Both members must agree to the battle.
2. Both members must agree on two judges for scoring.
3. A post is created for the battle, both members get 5 replies to battle in the thread. One judge flips a coin to see who spits their venom first.
4. After both members get their 5 responses in, the two judges score each round of responses and present the winner.
5. Loser must accept defeat and must offer sig, user title, points or public apology upon losing.
6. Anyone in the battle that gets into FAMILY, RACE or RELIGION, will automatically be disqualified.
7. Any responses after 5, are not counted and could lead to disqualification.
8. Rematch clause can be agreed upon prior to the battle.

Travesty didn't follow the rules. He went well beyond five posts after Bobby posted his proof. Travesty also entered race into the discussion in post 298, which is also a disqualifier. So he is DQ'd on two counts.

[travestyny]

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This is not the place to call out mods and admins. Any such posts will result in a ban. This means do not post "so and so mod sucks because he or she deleted my posts" or "the admins suck because they banned strugg." You have been warned.


1. Both members must agree to the battle.
2. Both members must agree on two judges for scoring.
3. A post is created for the battle, both members get 5 replies to battle in the thread. One judge flips a coin to see who spits their venom first.
4. After both members get their 5 responses in, the two judges score each round of responses and present the winner.
5. Loser must accept defeat and must offer sig, user title, points or public apology upon losing.
6. Anyone in the battle that gets into FAMILY, RACE or RELIGION, will automatically be disqualified.
7. Any responses after 5, are not counted and could lead to disqualification.
8. Rematch clause can be agreed upon prior to the battle.

Travesty didn't follow the rules. He went well beyond five posts after Bobby posted his proof. Travesty also entered race into the discussion in post 298, which is also a disqualifier. So he is DQ'd on two counts.

Was a permaban bet also part of the rules?

Did we flip a coin to see who will go first?

Were 3 judges a part of the rules?


Give it up. A mod came through early and said if we want to do a permaban bet, just make the deal and honor it as men. We made the bet, we both kept fighting until the very last judge made a decision, and that was the end of the match.

For you to talk disqualification AFTER the match is over is laughable Give up, Black Dempsey.

[Spoon23]

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This is not the place to call out mods and admins. Any such posts will result in a ban. This means do not post "so and so mod sucks because he or she deleted my posts" or "the admins suck because they banned strugg." You have been warned.


1. Both members must agree to the battle.
2. Both members must agree on two judges for scoring.
3. A post is created for the battle, both members get 5 replies to battle in the thread. One judge flips a coin to see who spits their venom first.
4. After both members get their 5 responses in, the two judges score each round of responses and present the winner.
5. Loser must accept defeat and must offer sig, user title, points or public apology upon losing.
6. Anyone in the battle that gets into FAMILY, RACE or RELIGION, will automatically be disqualified.
7. Any responses after 5, are not counted and could lead to disqualification.
8. Rematch clause can be agreed upon prior to the battle.

Travesty didn't follow the rules. He went well beyond five posts after Bobby posted his proof. Travesty also entered race into the discussion in post 298, which is also a disqualifier. So he is DQ'd on two counts.

There you have it. The rules.

Travesty went past 5 posts and the clear Race baiting.

Easy DQ.

[travestyny]

There you have it. The rules.

Travesty went past 5 posts and the clear Race baiting.

Easy DQ.

Poor Buboy, I mean Spoon. Every “L” I dish out, he takes it as his own.

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[Spoon23]

Travestyny was DQ'd by me!!!!!

- Read the above post by me.

Travestyny got himself and everyone confused with "threshold substances" instead of sticking to the topic! He never was able to differentiate between "threshold substances" and the topic of discussion. That in itself deserves the DQ. Sorry!

- Travestyny lied throughout the thread to change the scope of the discussion!

- After the fact, it was discovered that a judge was part of the MAYWEATHER MAFIA group.

- After the fact, it was discovered that the MAYWEATHER MAFIA groups judge's friends included 2 other judges and Travestyny!!! Sorry but unless you are a friend of the CHEATER, you must know and or realize why Travestyny must be DQ'd!!!

- So as far as I know, 3 judges were friends and Travestyny was their friend as well!

- Given the above information, you cannot expect any of the judges to DQ Travestyny. Consequently, by default, I DQ'd Travestyny!!!!




History repeats:
Now I just read that Travestyny cheated AGAIN!





DQ the CHEAT!!!!




BY THE WAY - Poster "Sh|ts on Brits" is AKA "Shoulder Roll" AKA Floyd Mayweather fan!!!! The nerve!!!!

I was right! So you are Travestyny's friend (Mayweather groupie). That is why you do not get why Travestyny was DQ'd by me!!!! You guys are too much!!!!



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Wow, another DQ.

Travestyny is on a roll.

TRAVESTY A NAME NOW ASSOCIATED WITH DQ

Stay on the LOSER LANE CHUMP.

[ADP02]

But for example, I believe billeau2 was one of the judges.

He and I are friendly with each other but he is not a fan of Floyd.

He voted against you based on the debate itself not on any bias for Mayweather. He was fair.

I'm sure the other 3 judges (who all voted against you too) were similarly fair.

billeau2 was the only one who I did not see as a "friend" of the Mayweather Mafia judge. 3 of 4 judges were friends. You think that means nothing but that is easy to say when your Mayweather friend has the unfair edge!

We did mention up front that the judge would need to come up with a valid explanation of their vote to show no bias. 2 of 3 didn't provide any related explanation. 1 of the judges, I have no idea because the vote happened after I left the dome.

billeau2 is the only one who provided his reasoning that was related and asked for or if I had a rebuttal .... but he never came back while I was there. I had a legit explanation as to why his reasoning was not correct. Travestyny incorrectly used the WADA documentation and I could have provided the proof to him but as I said, he never heard my rebuttal!


Anyhoot, when you find out after the fact that the judges are all friends then that is not cool. I should have been aware of that from the start. Then I find out that the judge is even in the Mayweather Mafia group! That is a double no-no!!!!

Sorry, for me .... Travestyny is DQ'd as he was there as a friend too of Mayweather Mafia judge who had the listed as friends the other judges. If I didn't discover this, he would never have mentioned it.

Plus in my books, he cheated! Sorry.

He should have been DQd by the judges but they were nowhere to be found.



BTW - Several of Travestyny's "friends" gave him points including at least one of the judges.
Maybe they are closer than we think or felt sorry for him. Whatever. They are just points.

I actually told Travestyny beforehand that, if I win, I do not even want his points!

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[Spoon23]

Poor Buboy, I mean Spoon. Every “L” I dish out, he takes it as his own.

Huh?? Me L? Naah.. that's you forte.

Time for another one.

Shame Shame Shame!!

He lost by disqualification in the Bobby Deez challenge thread!

Yes. The bet was a signature bet plus all his points. He won't concede as predicted because he never admits when he is wrong or defeated.

It's time..

[ADP02]

Wow, another DQ.

Travestyny is on a roll.

TRAVESTY A NAME NOW ASSOCIATED WITH DQ

Stay on the LOSER LANE CHUMP.

Travestyny is on a roll .... keeps on being on the WRONG end!


My reply to him, ... I made him see how WRONG Travestyny is.

Ever since I revealed the TRUTH with clear proof, he is now stating that ironically I'm writing too much . This means that Travestyny has realized the TRUTH!

Travestyny is WRONG!



BTW - My understanding is that Travestyny was "writing too much - posts (more than 5)" and was DQd in the process! LOL



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[Spoon23]

Travestyny is on a roll .... keeps on being on the WRONG end!


My reply to him, ... I made him see how WRONG Travestyny is.

Ever since I revealed the TRUTH with clear proof, he is now stating that ironically I'm writing too much . This means that Travestyny has realized the TRUTH!

Travestyny is WRONG!



BTW - My understanding is that Travestyny was "writing too much - posts (more than 5)" and was DQd in the process! LOL



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That's another clear indication Travesty folded. When she goes and says, "Do you expect me to read all of that??"

The lamest excuse you can give to a forum where in you are suppose to read and debate in lmao

That sorry excuse for a human being doesn't have an ounce of fibre of honor in him, nor does he know how to follow rules. Like I said, look at the signs. You've downed her so many times. I lost count. You have totally ravaged her soul.

You the man!

Cheers!

[ADP02]

ADP, I’ve told you time and time again that you are wrong, but you are obsessed. The court told you that you are wrong, but you can’t handle it.

Now you are still going on and on. What you are now referring to is the document used for the ABP steroidal module. This is NOT used for testing for EPO specifically, you fool. Dosumpthin and I have both explained this to you.

1. I’ve asked you the same 4or 5 questions over and over that you refuse to answer.

2. I offered a rematch. You have no confidence in your position, so you won’t mention it.

Then WTF do you want? Stop writing me essays. You were clearly proven wrong and it’s over. If you think you found something good and want a rematch, let me know and I’d be happy to cave in the other side of your face. Thanks.

DEFLECTOR, ADMIT THAT YOU ARE WRONG!!!!


I showed you so much evidence that it's coming out of your ears!!!

The WADA experts stated in previous cases, that case and its future that there are threshold tests!!!

You have NOT come up with any evidence stating why those WADA EXPERTs were wrong except for your COPY/PASTE statement that we now BOTH know that you were SO SO WRONG!!!!

Can a non-threshold substance have threshold type tests. You said good luck trying to find evidence .... Well I did and YOU DIDN'T!!!! This is what this was all about and you FAILED!!!!


Qualitative test results.:
I explained this to you multiple times including the first time. Maybe my fault for confusing you with the TRUTH but for YOU to still be WRONG after my explanations! That is just crazy!!!!


ABP
As I said way back when, I said that I will only be able to explain it with more posts later as EPO testing is very involved. Well, when I brought up ABP you couldn't get yourself to state the TRUTH. Why cheater? because you knew that they have threshold tests, that is why! Now in the thread and many moons later, you forgot that and finally admitted the TRUTH! Sorry!!!!


Like you tried to do in the past, you tried to use loop-holes to try to remove valid information that is used in the detection of EPO!

I said it from the start that ABP is indirect testing so that is not an issue here. Reason is that it is an indirect test for EPO!!!!!!

They are not separate but instead one can say that they are used to enhance their arsenal against EPO abuse!!!!

Multiple WADA documents state this and agree with me. Sorry!

The ABP does not replace traditional Testing methods, but rather complements analytical methods to further refine and strengthen overall anti-doping strategies.

The Haematological Module collects information on Markers of blood doping. The Module aims to identify the Use of Prohibited Substances and/or Prohibited Methods for the enhancement of oxygen transport or delivery, including the Use of ESAs and any form of blood transfusion or manipulation.

Even the EPO document points to the use of ABP to establish anti-doping rule violations.

Provisions 3.2 and 6.2 of the Code allow the use of results to establish profile of doping by Athletes. Thus, even if the results of EPO analysis are reported as negative by a Laboratory on the basis of IEF and/or SDS/SAR-PAGE analysis, information contained in the analysis combined with other information (e.g. blood variables, longitudinal profiles, testimonies) may remain relevant in a more general context to establish anti-doping rule violations.

Now if you look at Provision 3.2, it clearly mentions ABP testing!!!!

[Comment to Article 2.2: It has always been the case that Use or Attempted Use of a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method may be established by any reliable means.

As noted in the Comment to Article 3.2, unlike the proof required to establish an anti-doping rule violation under Article 2.1, Use or Attempted Use may also be established by other reliable means such as admissions by the Athlete, witness statements, documentary evidence, conclusions drawn from longitudinal profiling, including data collected as part of the Athlete Biological Passport, or other
analytical information which does not otherwise satisfy all the requirements to establish “Presence” of a Prohibited Substance under Article 2.1.
For example, Use may be established based upon reliable analytical data from the analysis of an A Sample (without confirmation from an analysis of a B Sample) or from the analysis of a B Sample alone where the Anti-Doping Organization provides a satisfactory explanation for the lack of.

TRAVESTYNY is SINKING!!!!!


TRAVESTYNY .... YOU ARE WRONG. THE WADA EXPERTs are RIGHT!

I'm with the WADA EPO EXPERTs. So that is why I am RIGHT!


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