Pac/Floyd investigation, documented punches (disputed rounds) blow by blow

[tangalog2200]

Just connecting the dots and asking the questions that should be asked concerning Manny and TORADOL , people have been accusing Manny of this amazing transformation destroying larger fighters and blaming PEDS , Ive always believed it was the draining CWs that allowed it happen , but can we rule out TORADOL after what has surfaced .

I believe TORADOL is a very big Elephant in the room , I would like to see a reporter ask the tough questions of Manny but they are not allowed too .

It does not smell rosy !

reloaded, i have to first thank you for the videos on toradol...gave me something more to go on relative to the issues between you and spoon....

the video on toradol in college football, please correct me if i'm wrong, clearly stated toradol is a legal substance....and....

the case against toradol centered on one guy; after so many years that such substance had been in use...may not this be just an isolated case? or were there other cases?

likewise, as meds/substances are concerned, people react differently....it may be all ok for most people, but one may get an allergic reaction to the same....

as for pac asking for toradol - a legal substance after saying he is ok is something i will continue to discuss after lunch...

excuse me for 15-20 minutes...thanks

[Zaroku]

Just connecting the dots and asking the questions that should be asked concerning Manny and TORADOL , people have been accusing Manny of this amazing transformation destroying larger fighters and blaming PEDS , Ive always believed it was the draining CWs that allowed it happen , but can we rule out TORADOL after what has surfaced .

I believe TORADOL is a very big Elephant in the room , I would like to see a reporter ask the tough questions of Manny but they are not allowed too .

It does not smell rosy !

Secret Ariza Shakes??

Yet when Marquez destroyed him, PED. So many double standards.

But, Floyd has big nuts or just doesn't give a crap bringing in Ariza & Memo.
Plus that IV looks odd. TORADOL PAC. Floyd out cheated a cheat. Or we should just drop that argument on both sides.

[Real King Kong]

Lol ADP02 just ****d you inside and out. Your guts are spilled all over the floor. Weak comeback bro.. You're on a roll

Lol...or I'm not a complete loser who takes the time to write an essay on a boxing forum. What's with you guys and comeback this and nice try that...something is wrong when you come on here just to argue, and get so much fulfillment out of thinking you "won". Must be taking L's in other areas of life and come here to compensate.

[Reloaded]

reloaded, i have to first thank you for the videos on toradol...gave me something more to go on relative to the issues between you and spoon....

the video on toradol in college football, please correct me if i'm wrong, clearly stated toradol is a legal substance....and....

the case against toradol centered on one guy; after so many years that such substance had been in use...may not this be just an isolated case? or were there other cases?

likewise, as meds/substances are concerned, people react differently....it may be all ok for most people, but one may get an allergic reaction to the same....

as for pac asking for toradol - a legal substance after saying he is ok is something i will continue to discuss after lunch...

excuse me for 15-20 minutes...thanks

the video on toradol in college football, please correct me if i'm wrong, clearly stated toradol is a legal substance....and....

Ive never said it wasnt the thing is everything was legal at one time then it was abused and became illegal , the IOC is being pressured to add it to banned substance list one day it will be , does that mean its a PED or not a PED .

the case against toradol centered on one guy; after so many years that such substance had been in use...may not this be just an isolated case? or were there other cases?

Oh no the case against Toradol is the NFL , Baseball , College Football and who knows how many other sports , its now touched Boxing through Manny , watch all the videos its not one guy .

likewise, as meds/substances are concerned, people react differently....it may be all ok for most people, but one may get an allergic reaction to the same....

Its not about the long term damaging effect of the drug , for our interest its about it performance enhancing capabilities ,,,, watch all the videos .

as for pac asking for toradol - a legal substance after saying he is ok is something i will continue to discuss after lunch...

The problem I have with this is 2 fold , the first is why ask for a drug with the performance properties of Toradol when your saying nothing is wrong , that suggests this is not the first time Manny has used it pre fight , when he is boss they just take it in the dressing and nobody is the wiser , but this time it would have showed up so they had to officially ask for it .

The second issue is why not ask for a replacement when Toradol was refused , that makes no sense to me , if I have a bad headache and I have no Panadol I will take another pain killer straight away if I have something different , Manny didnt and that is strange to me , but its not so strange if he wanted it for enhancement then a replacement like Cortisone would not have give the overall enhancement like Toradol , so it makes sense why would he want something else that does not give him what he wants .

Watch Paulis response , he knows his stuff and is screaming come and sue me for saying your a drugs cheat , Pauli is saying why ask for Toradol of all things , Pauli is adamant on the use of Toradol and he is no little kid he is WC pro fighter that knows the business inside and out .

[tangalog2200]

reloaded, i have to first thank you for the videos on toradol...gave me something more to go on relative to the issues between you and spoon....

the video on toradol in college football, please correct me if i'm wrong, clearly stated toradol is a legal substance....and....

the case against toradol centered on one guy; after so many years that such substance had been in use...may not this be just an isolated case? or were there other cases?

likewise, as meds/substances are concerned, people react differently....it may be all ok for most people, but one may get an allergic reaction to the same....

as for pac asking for toradol - a legal substance after saying he is ok is something i will continue to discuss after lunch...

excuse me for 15-20 minutes...thanks

to continue.....

are you familiar with preventive medicine? vaccines? is it wrong to take them?

do you have to be sick or suffering to take them?

the truth is it is a very big ? for nsac to deny pac his request and then grant floyd tue so many days later.....

the toradol the midget requested issue is a dwarf in comparison with the 750ml iv issue....

for one, toradol is legal and will remain so unless declared otherwise....however, we all know that the iv overdose was not.....

i would like now for us to go back to the thread topic as i think both sides have already spent much on the toradol issue....

[Reloaded]

to continue.....

are you familiar with preventive medicine? vaccines? is it wrong to take them?

do you have to be sick or suffering to take them?

the truth is it is a very big ? for nsac to deny pac his request and then grant floyd tue so many days later.....

the toradol the midget requested issue is a dwarf in comparison with the 750ml iv issue....

for one, toradol is legal and will remain so unless declared otherwise....however, we all know that the iv overdose was not.....

i would like now for us to go back to the thread topic as i think both sides have already spent much on the toradol issue....

Now your trying to muddy the water to lose Toradol its not going to work I have a mountain of information on Toradol ready to post .

Have you taken on board the effects of Toradol on a player in pro sport are you listening to what they are saying it does for them ?

If you have listened to the effects of Toradol then to state iv fluids is worse you better go and do some research on 750ml iv fluids in a man because it is not a large does for a dehydrated man not even near a large does , I once had a 70lb dog that was given 2 x 1000ml bags over 12 hrs for dehydration , Im doing my home work and present independent information on Toradol , why dont you present from a medical web site the dose rates for IV Fluids per lb of body weight , I can do it but if you do I know you read it .

And saline has never ever given a man or beast a PED like enhancement in any way , that cannot be said about Toradol .

[tangalog2200]

the video on toradol in college football, please correct me if i'm wrong, clearly stated toradol is a legal substance....and....

Ive never said it wasnt the thing is everything was legal at one time then it was abused and became illegal , the IOC is being pressured to add it to banned substance list one day it will be , does that mean its a PED or not a PED .

the case against toradol centered on one guy; after so many years that such substance had been in use...may not this be just an isolated case? or were there other cases?

Oh no the case against Toradol is the NFL , Baseball , College Football and who knows how many other sports , its now touched Boxing through Manny , watch all the videos its not one guy .

likewise, as meds/substances are concerned, people react differently....it may be all ok for most people, but one may get an allergic reaction to the same....

Its not about the long term damaging effect of the drug , for our interest its about it performance enhancing capabilities ,,,, watch all the videos .

as for pac asking for toradol - a legal substance after saying he is ok is something i will continue to discuss after lunch...

The problem I have with this is 2 fold , the first is why ask for a drug with the performance properties of Toradol when your saying nothing is wrong , that suggests this is not the first time Manny has used it pre fight , when he is boss they just take it in the dressing and nobody is the wiser , but this time it would have showed up so they had to officially ask for it .

The second issue is why not ask for a replacement when Toradol was refused , that makes no sense to me , if I have a bad headache and I have no Panadol I will take another pain killer straight away if I have something different , Manny didnt and that is strange to me , but its not so strange if he wanted it for enhancement then a replacement like Cortisone would not have give the overall enhancement like Toradol , so it makes sense why would he want something else that does not give him what he wants .

Watch Paulis response , he knows his stuff and is screaming come and sue me for saying your a drugs cheat , Pauli is saying why ask for Toradol of all things , Pauli is adamant on the use of Toradol and he is no little kid he is WC pro fighter that knows the business inside and out .

as i have stated, i would have like to go back to the tread topic...

thus, this will be my last post on the toradol issue just for you...

and let me quote you:

"Ive never said it wasnt the thing is everything was legal at one time then it was abused and became illegal , the IOC is being pressured to add it to banned substance list one day it will be , does that mean its a PED or not a PED ."

the above is contradicting itself...can one be held accountable or be charged NOW with a law that will only be a law in the future?

can you be charged with jay walking now where there's no jay walking ordinance in place?

can you break a non-existent law?

[Spoon23]

Yup, diversion tactics has gone too long. That was an off topic that I've permitted to go on in this thread lol

Toradol is an NSAC legal substance that Pac wasn't allowed to take in the biggest night in boxing, wether it is a performance enhance drug or not, Pac didn't lose or gain anything since he didn't take one. It doesn't matter

Floyd on the other hand wasn't granted by nsac for illegal use of 750 ml IVS going into the fight, but after 3 weeks he then gets a TUE pass for the illegality that Floyd did. The inconsistency of NSAC and biased ways for Floyd is what counts.

Anyway, back to regular viewing.

[Spoon23]

Lol...or I'm not a complete loser who takes the time to write an essay on a boxing forum.

Who takes the time?

Ahhmm.. Boxing fans who talk boxing in a forum. Isn't that what forums are for to talk and debate?

I think you are lost?

[tangalog2200]

Now your trying to muddy the water to lose Toradol its not going to work I have a mountain of information on Toradol ready to post .

Have you taken on board the effects of Toradol on a player in pro sport are you listening to what they are saying it does for them ?

If you have listened to the effects of Toradol then to state iv fluids is worse you better go and do some research on 750ml iv fluids in a man because it is not a large does for a dehydrated man not even near a large does , I once had a 70lb dog that was given 2 x 1000ml bags over 12 hrs for dehydration , Im doing my home work and present independent information on Toradol , why dont you present from a medical web site the dose rates for IV Fluids per lb of body weight , I can do it but if you do I know you read it .

And saline has never ever given a man or beast a PED like enhancement in any way , that cannot be said about Toradol .

"750ml iv fluids in a man because it is not a large does for a dehydrated man not even near a large does"

the thread on iv has everything you should know....the most salient point being.....

it could help hide ped use...

that is why it is in the prohibited lists....

now, lets go back to the thread....let's respect the topic and the op, shall we?

i already am missing the ring generalship, defense, effective aggression hit and not get hit, score cards blah blah