Is Pacman the greatest Asian Champ of all time?

[mr. bojangles]

I saw Flash Elorde in several Philippine movies and some interviews. I think Flash does not have much in the head. Of course, the Flash didn't have much education like Pacquiao. But Pacquiao has more in-born brain than Elorde or any other Filipino boxer.

Pacquiao displayed more than boxing skill when he answered Larry Merchant in English several times in an afterfight interview. I don't believe Harada or Elorde could ever attempt to do that.

Pancho Villa's life was given a spin, but what can you say to a boxer that died a pauper?

Pacquiao has so much ahead of him. He's destined for greater achievements in his country aside from boxing.

So proficiency in the English language is now a factor to being considered as a "boxing great"? That's just plain laughable.

[nadz]

So proficiency in the English language is now a factor to being considered as a "boxing great"? That's just plain laughable.

yes youre right but pacman is oviously known fighter not like the other asian great...

[mr. bojangles]

Consider these

Gabriel "Flash" Elorde

• Defended his OPBF Lightweight belt 14 times in a span of 9 years (from 1957 to 1966)
• Defended his World Junior Lightweight belt 4 times (from 1960 to 1962)
• Defended his WBC and WBA Superfeatherweight belt 7 times (from 1963 to 1967)
• He was either OPBF Lightweight, WBC & WBA Superfeatherweight and/or World Junior Lightweight champion from 1957 to 1966. Having fought thirty three (33) world championship fights!

Compare that to the PacMan. NO COMPARISON.

He has a long way to go.

Fighting Harada's five (5) title defenses of his WBC and WBA Bantamweight belts doesn't even come close. Nor having fought in a total of ten (10) world championship fights in Flyweight, Bantamweight and Featherweight.

Khaosai Galaxy's nineteen (19) defenses of his WBA Superflyweight belt is also impressive.

[mr. bojangles]

yes youre right but pacman is oviously known fighter not like the other asian great...

Don't confuse being popular with greatness.

If the thread was titled "Is PacMan the most popular Asian Champ of all time?", then maybe you're right.

[lapulapu]

Don't confuse being popular with greatness.

If the thread was titled "Is PacMan the most popular Asian Champ of all time?", then maybe you're right.

Don't worry about the semantics. Pacman will step into Elorde's domain (130 lb weight) when MP tangles with Morales. Pacman does not need to spend his life in boxing to outdo what the Flash did.
It's unfortunate that its not easy to get the right fights coz of the whims of promoters and managers.
Pacman wants to fight the best just like Morales or maybe even Marquez, but fight arrangement is incredibly annoying for the fight fans.
But so far Pacman has generated far more excitement (in his previous 2 fights with MAB & Marquez and now Morales) than any 3 of Flash Elorde's fights. Flash Elorde was a resilient fighter but Pacman is definitely much much exciting. Even Erik Morales is dying of excitement (if not fear or doubt) in the coming clash with the Pacman.

[AIR_KENG]

i agree with thrilla, when and if manny succeeds/wins in fighting morales and then take on marquez again and win, then i would consider him next to flash. flash is still the greatest asian champion, no doubt... his durability and his perseverance still outweighs any contender for asian greatness. but manny is still young, has a lot of ways to go, but i think he will be the greatest asian champ in due time, before he hanging up his gloves...

[cple]

A lot of the Pacquiao supporters here aren't basing their reasoning on his accomplishments, but his excitement and potential. Many of these claims begin with "if Pacquiao" or "when Pacquiao" does this or that, he'll no doubt be the greatest. Hell, it's possible that some toddler in korea can one day be the greatest asian fighter of all-time, but you can't give him that label until he accomplishes something in the ring.

I do believe Pacquiao has the skill and potential to be one of the greatest, but as of now, he's not even close to the greatest. Let's not get carried away. Also, i do also think he's one of the most exciting fighters today, but excitement shouldn't be factored into a fighter's greatness. Greatness should only be based on accomplishments, skill, and level of opposition.

[JaNnO]

Fighting Harada's five (5) title defenses of his WBC and WBA Bantamweight belts doesn't even come close. Nor having fought in a total of ten (10) world championship fights in Flyweight, Bantamweight and Featherweight.

Khaosai Galaxy's nineteen (19) defenses of his WBA Superflyweight belt is also impressive.

no disrespect to galaxy...but what were the quality of his opponents? and where did he fight in each fight...if they were in thailand...they won't look so impressive to me.

flash elorde held on to his title for over 8 years...but then again you could have the same argument. both were handled by lope sarreal.

i still consider pancho villa the greatest ever from asia.

[Jose Rizal]

Do you think Pacman is the greatest Asian champ of all time, there are a few great ones in history. Like a guy by the name of Flash Elorde who is also Fillipino that I read about. Do you know of any other devestating Asian fighters who is also great like Pacman?

I'd answer that question once his career is over. Right now,he has achieved a lot despite his youth and he's still trying to make a name for himself. The way he's going though, I wouldn't be surprised if he indeed turns out to be the greatest Asian champ, if not one of the greatest champions the world has ever seen. Good luck to Manny Pacquio on his coming fight with another boxing superstar, El Terible.

[JaNnO]

yes youre right but pacman is oviously known fighter not like the other asian great...

partly because information nowadays travel faster than sound and is more available to people in every corner of the world due to rapid advances in communications and com*****g...