Dundee's evaluation of Bernard Hopkins

[Rick Taylor]

Dundee and Ho'kins put me to sleep and always have. I would walk a mile to get away from a Ho'kins fight or a Dundee interview. Two egomaniacs.

both scumbags as well tbh

[Willie Pep 229]

thanks for the information.

but this only speaks well of alis character. not dundee.

do you have a a source on ali being ok with this?
seems like dundee just wanted more money tbh

I read it in one of the boxing rags sometime in the 80s or 90s. It was one of those guys: Steve Farhood, Jeff Ryan, Bert Sugar, ETC telling a story. Who knows what stories are true; it was an article about the Ali-Dundee relationship.

It is probably the first time I heard Dundee never owned a percentage. Clay's first backers were business types out of Kentucky and then later the Black ******s. Dundee was never allowed to buy in.

[Rick Taylor]

I read it in one of the boxing rags sometime in the 80s or 90s. It was one of those guys: Steve Farhood, Jeff Ryan, Bert Sugar, ETC telling a story. Who knows what stories are true; it was an article about the Ali-Dundee relationship.

It is probably the first time I heard Dundee never owned a percentage. Clay's first backers were business types out of Kentucky and then later the Black ******s. Dundee was never allowed to buy in.

so dundee tried to get a percentage?

[Willie Pep 229]

so dundee tried to get a percentage?

sorry I shouldn't have worded it that way . . . I meant Dundee was never in for a percentage don't know if he tried/wanted

a digression . . .

I remember before the '71 fight they were stating that Ali would only get about 46% of whatever his purse would be and that Frazier, who was somehow part of a 'stock' investment company, would get a whole 52% of his purse.

These guys end up giving up so much of their battle monies it seems unfair.

[Rick Taylor]

sorry I shouldn't have worded it that way . . . I meant Dundee was never in for a percentage don't know if he tried/wanted

a digression . . .

I remember before the '71 fight they were stating that Ali would only get about 46% of whatever his purse would be and that Frazier, who was somehow part of a 'stock' investment company, would get a whole 52% of his purse.

These guys end up giving up so much of their battle monies it seems unfair.

ok i got ya.

and i agree about the bold.

i dont get the stock investment company thing.
how would that get frazier a better percentage.

and where did the rest oif both there money go?
promoters, managers and trainers? still a lot

[Willie Pep 229]

ok i got ya.

and i agree about the bold.

i dont get the stock investment company thing.
how would that get frazier a better percentage.

and where did the rest oif both there money go?
promoters, managers and trainers? still a lot

Yea that was my point about Ali . . . too much.

Usually it starts with 33 1/3% for a manger and then 10% for a trainer. Add in a few other things/guys and soon you are close to, or below the 50% mark. -- A friend of mine is in for 3% of Teofimo Lopez, (but I THINK his comes from the manager's % I am not sure). He got involved back at the beginning.

I remember at the time ('71) them saying that Frazier did better than most and that Ali wasn't unusual.

The way Frazier was 'owned' was by a group of business men who created a stock company (Joe Frazier). Frazier was the major stock holder of the company, 52%. (Something like that, it has been a few years, sorry).

I suspect Ali had the Black ******s involved at several levels.

And of course those percentages are BEFORE taxes are paid.

[Rick Taylor]

Yea that was my point about Ali . . . too much.

Usually it starts with 33 1/3% for a manger and then 10% for a trainer. Add in a few other things/guys and soon you are close to, or below the 50% mark. -- A friend of mine is in for 3% of Teofimo Lopez, (but I THINK his comes from the manager's % I am not sure). He got involved back at the beginning.

I remember at the time ('71) them saying that Frazier did better than most and that Ali wasn't unusual.

The way Frazier was 'owned' was by a group of business men who created a stock company (Joe Frazier). Frazier was the major stock holder of the company, 52%. (Something like that, it has been a few years, sorry).

I suspect Ali had the Black ******s involved at several levels.

And of course those percentages are BEFORE taxes are paid.

interesting stuff.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Pep, I wouldn't trust a word of Herbert and the like being astute on the NY tax laws applied to 2.5mil apiece Ali and Joe earned for FOY, but they were outrageous then and more so now.

George and Joe first ended in Jamaica where they could recieve most of their 2.5 and George never had a title fight in the states until he was 40 for those reasons.

NY ends in bankruptcy with boxing in decline as the goodfellas moved out west to Vegas and LA AND NOW BOXING booms.