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    #1

    Did Jeffries lose his title before Johnson?

    Should Jack Monroe have been given the heavyweight title the first time he and Jim Jefferies fought? It was a four round fight, maybe even billed as an exhibition, I would have to look into it again. I'm not arguing either way, just talking the possibility of it. Obviously it didn't happen. But this is my reasoning.... technically this was not an exhibition due to the fact Monroe was paid for going the four round distance. That in itself makes it a professional contest I believe. By all accounts and the refs decision, Monroe put it on Jeff good. Now I realize Jeffries wasn't in the best shape and beat Monroe there after, but it's still an interesting tidbit of history to look at and argue.
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    #2
    Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
    Should Jack Monroe have been given the heavyweight title the first time he and Jim Jefferies fought?
    What fight do you refer to? On boxrec, I only find one meeting these guys between, with Jeffries winning in two rounds.

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      #3
      A bit of googling, and I found it:

      "On December 19, 1903 Jack Munroe made his name known and his presence felt in the boxing world by defeating James Jeffries, the World Heavyweight Champion. This bout, a four-round exhibition fight, was held in Montana. Munroe held his own for the first three rounds and knocked Jeffries down for a nine-count in the fourth.

      The rivalry continued in San Francisco in 1904, with Jeffries taking his revenge by knocking out Munroe in the second round."

      Nah (in my opinion), if it's announced as an exhibition, no title is at stake.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Ben Bolt View Post
        A bit of googling, and I found it:

        "On December 19, 1903 Jack Munroe made his name known and his presence felt in the boxing world by defeating James Jeffries, the World Heavyweight Champion. This bout, a four-round exhibition fight, was held in Montana. Munroe held his own for the first three rounds and knocked Jeffries down for a nine-count in the fourth.

        The rivalry continued in San Francisco in 1904, with Jeffries taking his revenge by knocking out Munroe in the second round."

        Nah (in my opinion), if it's announced as an exhibition, no title is at stake.
        I can see where you're at with it being an exhibition. But with money changing hands it could at least be argued as a professional fight. It's of no consequence because the title did not change hands, but interesting to theorize about.

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          #5
          Still, Jack Munroe was a new acquaintance to me.
          Nowadays, I most like reading about the rather anonymous fighters of yesterday, those who were contenders, and forgotten when their careers came to a halt.
          Without them, there hadn’t been any champions.

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            #6
            Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post
            I can see where you're at with it being an exhibition. But with money changing hands it could at least be argued as a professional fight. It's of no consequence because the title did not change hands, but interesting to theorize about.
            It's kind of a double edge sword, -- Joe Louis was paid for all his exhibition bouts and no one called them title fights . . . that is of course until the NYSAC tried to pull a fast one on Louis and claimed the Johnny Davis four round exhibition was a title fight. It's still listed on Boxrec as a title defense, but it shouldn't be.

            There is a boxing cliche, there is no such thing as the HW Champion fighting an exhibition. Tradition has it, beat the champ in an exhibition and it gets you a real title shot. This situation looks to have worked out as it usually does, the upstart gets plastered when it becomes real.

            Interesting info though. Thanks for posting it.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post
              It's kind of a double edge sword, -- Joe Louis was paid for all his exhibition bouts and no one called them title fights . . . that is of course until the NYSAC tried to pull a fast one on Louis and claimed the Johnny Davis four round exhibition was a title fight. It's still listed on Boxrec as a title defense, but it shouldn't be.

              There is a boxing cliche, there is no such thing as the HW Champion fighting an exhibition. Tradition has it, beat the champ in an exhibition and it gets you a real title shot. This situation looks to have worked out as it usually does, the upstart gets plastered when it becomes real.

              Interesting info though. Thanks for posting it.
              - -Than Dokes who beech slapped Ali silly needs an upgrade in boxrec.

              Or Lyle Alzado, take your pick.

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