For the Record: Ducking

[Combat Talk Radio]

Fighters fight. Managers and promoters make fights happen. Very rare for the fighter themselves to actively look to make a fight occur.

Besides Briggs there was only Floyd "Make The Damn Fight" Mayweather Jr.

[travestyny]

I can understand your point in principle but doesn't it seem counterintuitive to pay someone 33% of your purse (a guy you call "manager") and then not take his advise?

Floyd Patterson is your type of guy, they say Patterson broke off with Cus D'Amato just so he could fight Liston. Some would say he should have kept up the duck. (D'Amato refused to deal with the IBC gangsters.)

I think they should definitely consider the managers/promoter's advice absolutely. But there should come a time when the boxer has to put his foot down. Especially in an instance where it's a long ongoing thing, like Pac/Mayweather for example. of all parties involved, I personally blame Arum the most, but Pacquiao should have demanded the fight be made instead of just going along with Arums in house tactics.

I actually do give a lot of respect to Patterson for accepting that challenge. It wouldn't be fair to deny Liston his shot. Perhaps not fighting him was better for his career, but wouldn't it amount to a duck, no matter his reasoning, if he hadn't taken the fight?

The business of it all certainly plays a part, but ducking for fear of losing isn't exactly what anyone wants out of a champion.

[Curt Henning]

I don't follow the game currently; I am purely a history geek, that's why you never encountered me except in this forum, History.

I had no clue who Porter was until I read the post.

First I listened to the interviews and then looked up their records.

(when looking at the two fighter's records I was more impressed with Porter's resume)

But that's actually irrelevant; I went into listening to the videos with no bias at all.

Now, using me as a litmus test, I am not a current fan, so I was surprised I recognized Crawford's name. (I never saw him fight.) This made me conclude that Crawford must be more popular with the casual fans/general sports fans than Porter.

Also Crawford was being interviewed in a more professional surrounding, which looked to be a more important media event than Porter's. Porter's interviewer came across a little amateur.

Taking all this into account I understood Crawford's dismissive and condescending tone.

(Remember, as you pointed out, at this point I thought they were both still champions; but one already looked better positioned than the other.)

In the interview Crawford wouldn't even say Porter's name; he kept referring to "that fight" or something vague like that. Crawford sounded like he was reciting from a prepared statement.

It all sounded like Crawford knew Porter needed him, and not the reverse.

(What I would really like to see a comparison of their fight purses/PPV pays, it would tell us more.)

I don't know how you define "duck" but I am of the mind that it can only be assessed once it is all said and done.

For now all I saw was Crawford using his position to his advantage.

P.S. In regards to me not knowing the chronology of events, you are correct this changes things, it makes it even worse for Porter. Now without a belt, I find no wonder in Crawford refusing to even acknowledge him. Porter will have to reposition himself because it doesn't sound like Crawford is interested.

lol...sorry...but this is a bunch of rubbish.....complete rubbish

[QueensburyRules]

Keep it up and you'll find yourself on the outside looking in, pops. I'm not interested in your senile rants. Post with some substance or in the iggy bin you go.

- -U making mountains out of molehills the very definition of teensy.

Prob a product of growing up unable to fight U way outta bag of popcorn...

[travestyny]

- -U making mountains out of molehills the very definition of teensy.

Prob a product of growing up unable to fight U way outta bag of popcorn...

How many times have you embarrassed yourself here?


No one takes you seriously, pops. Enjoy your ban from my thread

[Willie Pep 229]

lol...sorry...but this is a bunch of rubbish.....complete rubbish

Why would you be "sorry" for being insulting, it looks natural on you. Stay dim!

[BattlingNelson]

It's nebulous . . but . . . mainly it's when a fighter walks away from a fight that is in his best interest.

Some of the things to look for: if the fight would have allowed the fighter to advance to a title shot; if the fighter takes considerably less money for a different fight; a fighter who does not defend his title in a reasonable amount of time; if a champion consistently avoids tough opponents.

Some things that don't count: the rantings of a sanctioning bodies, media, or fans.

Meaning that Roy Jones is the biggest ducker in boxing history.

[Marchegiano]

I think folks complicate it to forgive their heroes of their actions.


If A wanted it and B didn't B is a duck. I don't care the reasons. Business is a reason to duck, not a reason to claim it wasn't a duck.


Make it not boxing and it makes absolutely no sense. Ireland, Switzerland, Turkey, and Da Pope didn't avoid a war against brutal tyranny, they simply avoided a business practice that made no sense. WW2.

When the Brits had Revere and got shook and scattered cause they heard cannons it's not because they were avoiding those cannons, it's just not a smart business move to catch a cannonball.

Criminals don't avoid legal action taken against them, it's just bad business to be sued.

[Anthony342]

Besides Briggs there was only Floyd "Make The Damn Fight" Mayweather Jr.

Why do you have me on ignore?

[travestyny]

I think folks complicate it to forgive their heroes of their actions.


If A wanted it and B didn't B is a duck. I don't care the reasons. Business is a reason to duck, not a reason to claim it wasn't a duck.


Make it not boxing and it makes absolutely no sense. Ireland, Switzerland, Turkey, and Da Pope didn't avoid a war against brutal tyranny, they simply avoided a business practice that made no sense. WW2.

When the Brits had Revere and got shook and scattered cause they heard cannons it's not because they were avoiding those cannons, it's just not a smart business move to catch a cannonball.

Criminals don't avoid legal action taken against them, it's just bad business to be sued.

lol. Good post, and agreed!