Is Fury a top 10 all-time great?

[ShoulderRoll]

Who is in your top 10???

Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis

With Gene Tunney, Rocky Marciano, and Sonny Liston hovering just outside.

[MrRolltide91]

Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis

With Gene Tunney, Rocky Marciano, and Sonny Liston hovering just outside.

Good list.

I think Fury needs a win over AJ and Usyk

[billeau2]

Ray. Fookin. Mercer.

The terms of surrender will be very favorable, I assure you.

A) He did not technically lose that fight
B) lamont Brewster and Sanders... Are you really going to try to make this point? Lol. Oh wait.... let me guess there is a reason why Vlad lost... and Lewis on the other hand was just...Bad?

[billeau2]

I would not pick Mike to beat Ali, Klitchkos and Foreman. I think agaisnt a PRIME Holmes, Lewis and Holyfield we need a trilogy. Firy ****s Tyson.

Tyson is not even, to most, a top ten ATG, yet head to head he measures well against most men.

[Anthony342]

I'll never understand the hostility LL gets for not taking that rematch. Through his entire career he fought the toughest opponent he could. It's not like he took an easier opponent the next fight.

It's because Vitali hurt Lewis with some of those shots, so fans feel if VK wasn't cut, he might have won. But also, what's to say that Vitali doesn't tire later on, causing his punch output to drop and lose a decision? Lennox wanted to go out on top, so not too may people blame him for that. Not too many fighters get to do that. I mean, who did really? Guys like Marciano and Calzghe, of course. So that's 3 right there. Mayweather if he can stay retired too, so 4. Dmitry Pirog you could throw in, but he retired from an injury, then there's Ricardo Lopez. There's also Edwin Valero but of course, we know why that career was cut short. Andre Ward is a recent one. In addition to those 8, there's these undefeated guys I found online:

Mihai Leu
Sven Ottke
Harry Simon
Pichit Sithbanprachan

Lol Sven Ottke. It can't just be undefeated guys though. There's gotta be guys like Lewis who avenged defeats or people who retired still as champ after a few or a lot of defenses that weren't undefeated right? I don't know if I can count Louis because he made a comeback, so I'm talking guys that were on top, left and never came back.

[Rusty Tromboni]

A) He did not technically lose that fight
B) lamont Brewster and Sanders... Are you really going to try to make this point? Lol. Oh wait.... let me guess there is a reason why Vlad lost... and Lewis on the other hand was just...Bad?

No he didn't, but Boxing is infamous for corruption and poor decisions. Regardless of the judges error or your reception of the scoring, Lewis hit his ceiling against Ray Fookin Mercer.

Wlad lost to two killers pre-Steward. I'm really not sure why we hold that against him. Unless of course, like you're last point, you're looking for an escape route.

Those men are much more dangerous than Mercer (although less skilled). They're more dangerous than Shavers (the guy Quarry KO'd in 1 round) who gave prime Ali and Holmes FITS.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis

With Gene Tunney, Rocky Marciano, and Sonny Liston hovering just outside.

Jack Johnson!?!?!?!?

Why not include Miguel Canto?

Otherwise it's a great list.

This place feels like the Twilight Zone.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Tyson is not even, to most, a top ten ATG, yet head to head he measures well against most men.

Exactly. His achievements were slightly limited. He went off the rails, and spent most of his career sitting there memory of his prodigious start. But if you isolate Mike Tyson on his best night you have a scary, capable man.

[billeau2]

No he didn't, but Boxing is infamous for corruption and poor decisions. Regardless of the judges error or your reception of the scoring, Lewis hit his ceiling against Ray Fookin Mercer.

Wlad lost to two killers pre-Steward. I'm really not sure why we hold that against him. Unless of course, like you're last point, you're looking for an escape route.

Those men are much more dangerous than Mercer (although less skilled). They're more dangerous than Shavers (the guy Quarry KO'd in 1 round) who gave prime Ali and Holmes FITS.

You just did exactly what I said you would do... lol. Too much. It tells me you cannot help yourself.

[Rusty Tromboni]

You just did exactly what I said you would do... lol. Too much. It tells me you cannot help yourself.

Or what we've seen demonstrated countless times: you formulate your opinions independent of facts.

If you like a fighter you simply decide to dismiss any unfavorable information as inconsequential.