Who looked better against Montel Griffin?

[Humean]

..........Michalczewski

I'd say Jones Jr. He struggled in the first fight for the first half of the fight and then pulled it out and was on course to stop Griffin before he made a big mistake. The second was a massacre.

[GhostofDempsey]

Jones, and it wasn't even close. Jones first loss of his career was that DQ against Griffin. He was dominating him the entire fight.

[IronDanHamza]

..........Michalczewski

I'd say Jones Jr. He struggled in the first fight for the first half of the fight and then pulled it out and was on course to stop Griffin before he made a big mistake. The second was a massacre.

Montel schooled him....for 3 rounds.

He did look another level until he got caught.

[Humean]

Montel schooled him....for 3 rounds.

He did look another level until he got caught.

A pretty standard phenomemon for a pressure fighter, lose early rounds and then wear down and/or flatten your opponent.

[IronDanHamza]

A pretty standard phenomemon for a pressure fighter, lose early rounds and then wear down and/or flatten your opponent.

I'm not sure about that, he was getting badly outboxed and was losing the round he stopped him in.

But fair play he caught him, possible early stoppage but still.

Don't think it was going to plan.

[Rockin']

Montel was working out of Galaxy for a few days. He gave James fits sparring in 92-93. Montel always had James' number. James was awesome, but Montel was a blueprint on how to beat him. Just one of those things..........

[joseph5620]

Just curious...

Roy Jones - Ahead on two of the three cards, staggered him, dropped him and got DQ'd in the first one, blasted him out in a round in the second one.

Or James Toney - Lost twice, 6 score cards, not a single one had Toney as the winner.

Jones by far in both fights. I don't see how anyone would try to debate that.

[IronDanHamza]

Jones by far in both fights. I don't see how anyone would try to debate that.

Don't know if you saw the Steve Collins thread but the poster cophaugen seems to think that Griffin "dominated" Jones and it's "general consensus" that Toney looked better against Griffin.

[billeau2]

Montel was working out of Galaxy for a few days. He gave James fits sparring in 92-93. Montel always had James' number. James was awesome, but Montel was a blueprint on how to beat him. Just one of those things..........

Sometimes "Styles make fights" and this is one of those times. The more I learn and grow as a boxing fan and a fan of Toney, the more I realize that counter punchers can really have it tough... Like most counter punchers Toney developed other skills, I mean if one can counter punch well you have mastered one of the elite skill sets...but there is a reason why he could walk up to the heavy weights and give them fits, and be really set upon by Jones and Griffin.

Griffin was a true Chicago dandy! hell of an amatuer career and just a lot better fighter than his stats would indicate. Tough fight for anyone especially Toney who really did depend on outmanuveuring his opponent more than his punching prowess would sometimes lead one to believe.

[OctoberRed]

I'm still amazed at how short Griffin was at the weight. He was always said to be 5'6 (boxrec lists him at 5'7)