Who is better defencively Whittiker or Mayweather? Why?

[GhostofDempsey]

Ridiculous comment!

Mosley, Pac, DLH, Cotto, Marquez not at their best when they fought him. He waited out the first four, Marquez had to come up two weight classes for a fight that Floyd demanded a catchweight and didn't bother to make the weight. Now who are these elite fighters in their prime you think he fought? Canelo? He was still green. Or maybe you think Ortiz, Guerrero, Berto, Baldomir, Gatti, Manfredy were elites?

Meanwhile, Whitaker was taking on DLH, Trinidad, Chavez and McGirt in their primes. Big difference.

[ShoulderRoll]

Mosley, Pac, DLH, Cotto, Marquez not at their best when they fought him. He waited out the first four, Marquez had to come up two weight classes for a fight that Floyd demanded a catchweight and didn't bother to make the weight.

What is it with this revisionist history?

Floyd chased after Mosley for years but was too high risk/low reward for Shane during most of that time. There's even a post-fight interview on HBO where Mosley is directly asked about fighting Mayweather and Shane said that he had to take some time off because his tooth hurt.

Pacquiao turned away from the fight in 2009 after Floyd had agreed to a 50/50 purse split, ring size, and an over the weight limit penalty. All because of stricter drug testing.

Arum is on record saying that he didn't let Cotto fight Floyd when both were with Top Rank because he didn't feel Miguel was ready for him.

[Anthony342]

For whatever reasons those fights didn't happen, the key is Floyd didn't beat an elite ATG in their prime. Has some good wins, but can we really say any truly great ones? At least someone like Andre Ward fights the best available opponents. Also, Floyd could have fought Margharito right after he gave Cotto his first loss and decided to temporarily retire instead

[FLEX U.K]

Mosley, Pac, DLH, Cotto, Marquez not at their best when they fought him. He waited out the first four, Marquez had to come up two weight classes for a fight that Floyd demanded a catchweight and didn't bother to make the weight. Now who are these elite fighters in their prime you think he fought? Canelo? He was still green. Or maybe you think Ortiz, Guerrero, Berto, Baldomir, Gatti, Manfredy were elites?

Meanwhile, Whitaker was taking on DLH, Trinidad, Chavez and McGirt in their primes. Big difference.

I never made any comparison between Floyd & Whitaker. There's no doubt Whitaker fought MORE elite fighters than Floyd but to say Floyd never fought an elite fighter in their prime is ridiculous. Corrales, Castillo, Judah, Hatton all elite fighters in their prime when Floyd fought them. Bull**** about Canelo being green, no World Champion with 41 fights can be labelled 'green' IMO.You also fail to acknowledge, like alot of other fans, that Mayweather himself also wasn't in his prime by the time he fought Pac, people act as though Floyd was in his prime and fought an old Pac when the truth is neither were in their prime. Also, you have blown the argument about 'Elite' fighters wide open by naming McGirt as one. If Buddy McGirt was an elite fighter in your eyes then an argument can be made for Hernandez and Gatti

[ShoulderRoll]

For whatever reasons those fights didn't happen,

It's not for whatever reasons. It's for specific reasons, none of which are that "Floyd waited them out" as the other poster was implying.

As for Margarito...Arum offered that fight to Floyd for $8 million if he would tie himself to Top Rank with another long term contract. Floyd said no, became a free agent, and fought Carlos Baldomir in his next fight for $8 million plus $1.

Getting out from under the old man's clutches was the best thing he ever did for himself, financially.

[GhostofDempsey]

What is it with this revisionist history?

Floyd chased after Mosley for years but was too high risk/low reward for Shane during most of that time. There's even a post-fight interview on HBO where Mosley is directly asked about fighting Mayweather and Shane said that he had to take some time off because his tooth hurt.

Pacquiao turned away from the fight in 2009 after Floyd had agreed to a 50/50 purse split, ring size, and an over the weight limit penalty. All because of stricter drug testing.

Arum is on record saying that he didn't let Cotto fight Floyd when both were with Top Rank because he didn't feel Miguel was ready for him.

Shame was calling out Floyd at 135, Floyd wanted no part of him. He later used Mosley's four losses as an excuse not to fight him. Never mind that Baldomir had 9 losses and Gatti 6 losses, somehow that was ok.

Pac sued Floyd for those false accusations that he used to duck him. When he agreed to testing a year later Floyd came up with no less than 10 excuses why he wouldn't make the fight. Then, the cherry on top of all cherry picking was when Floyd ADMITTED he stalled that fight for as long as he could to MARITNATE it. Floyd himself admitted he put that fight off for years. Get over it!

I never made any comparison between Floyd & Whitaker. There's no doubt Whitaker fought MORE elite fighters than Floyd but to say Floyd never fought an elite fighter in their prime is ridiculous. Corrales, Castillo, Judah, Hatton all elite fighters in their prime when Floyd fought them. Bull**** about Canelo being green, no World Champion with 41 fights can be labelled 'green' IMO.You also fail to acknowledge, like alot of other fans, that Mayweather himself also wasn't in his prime by the time he fought Pac, people act as though Floyd was in his prime and fought an old Pac when the truth is neither were in their prime. Also, you have blown the argument about 'Elite' fighters wide open by naming McGirt as one. If Buddy McGirt was an elite fighter in your eyes then an argument can be made for Hernandez and Gatti

Coralles was elite? Who did he beat prior to Floyd? Garcia, Gainer, Manfredy? LOL. Hatton was elite? Judah elite? He was just coming off a loss to Baldomir. You're the same guy who thinks Kessler belongs in the boxing hall of fame, so you're credibility is suspect here.

Canelo hadn't fought anyone noteworthy prior to Floyd. Unless you think Trout was an ATG.

Pac had 17 more fights than Floyd and had aged far beyond Floyd's two years. Floyd admitted that he delayed that fight for years. He called it marinating, but it was waiting Manny out until he lost a step.

I can give you a long list of names Floyd ducked during his prime. Yet, Whitaker never ducked anyone and fought the best in their prime. Anyone who thinks Gatti was in the same league as McGirt is outside of their mind. But then again, you think Kessler belongs in the HOF, LOL.

[ShoulderRoll]

Shame was calling out Floyd at 135, Floyd wanted no part of him. He later used Mosley's four losses as an excuse not to fight him. Never mind that Baldomir had 9 losses and Gatti 6 losses, somehow that was ok.

Shane had trips planned and his tooth was loose.

[joseph5620]

Would it be safe to say that Whitaker's defense was more about athleticism and reflexes while Floyd's defense was more fundamentally sound?

One guy did manage to stay at the top level until he was damn near 40 while the other guy fell off hard past a certain age. Then again Floyd lived a disciplined, Spartan lifestyle while Pernell fell victim to his drug vices...

I think that's a valid point.

[joseph5620]

Mosley, Pac, DLH, Cotto, Marquez not at their best when they fought him. He waited out the first four, Marquez had to come up two weight classes for a fight that Floyd demanded a catchweight and didn't bother to make the weight. Now who are these elite fighters in their prime you think he fought? Canelo? He was still green. Or maybe you think Ortiz, Guerrero, Berto, Baldomir, Gatti, Manfredy were elites?

Meanwhile, Whitaker was taking on DLH, Trinidad, Chavez and McGirt in their primes. Big difference.

Revisionist history here mixed in with blatant lies. Not surprising coming from a poster who believes Chuvalo was robbed in his decision loss against Ali

[GhostofDempsey]

Revisionist history here mixed in with blatant lies. Not surprising coming from a poster who believes Chuvalo was robbed in his decision loss against Ali

Yes, the rematch with Ali he was robbed. Just like Norton, Young, and Shavers were robbed too. But, getting back on topic...MARINATE is the word of the day. Marinating is Floyd-speak for ducking. No one else in boxing gets a pass from fans for pulling that nonsense.