Prime Louis vs Prime Marciano

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Marciano is without a doubt a swarming fighter.

I would agree. We have to look at a fighters primary attribute. Marciano was relentless with pressure. He was great and had more things he could do, which had the effect of shooting him past his foibles. Here was a guy with two left feet, no real size to speak of... not much coordination in a traditional sense (this was not necessarily true when we looked closer)... a guy who came to the party late. What was Goldman thinking?!

But Marciano got you with the relentless pressure, a smaller man with no reach who jumped right past your sweet spot and came at you. Homicidal Hank and Marciano were imo the best at this game. Marciano had more varied head movement, he often had to parry and step big to avoid a shot...He could not get blasted regularly, not fighting the big boys, and had to fight in more ranges, carefully to get inside...Hank by comparison had no problem taking a shot, or three, to get where he was comfortable.

Other fighters I think make it more interesting in defining their primary attribute are guys like Hollyfield...was he a boxer who kept the pressure up? or a swarmer? rhetorical question really...

Smokin Joe Frazier, was his work rate and swarming compensation for being primarily a hooker? or was it integral to the way he was succesful...and more so than his left hook? WE have to consider that his right side was a relative weakness...If Marciano was so good, despite obvious limitations, what can one say of Joe and his one arm limitations?

Inquiring minds want to know lol.

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Prime louis would break rocky. Probably fairly early too.

[HOUDINI563]

I at one time subscribed to the idea that the best Louis would obliterate Marciano. Today I do not believe so.

Rocky did allot that was cute in the ring. All the parries, blocks, slips, AND the low crouch with his weaving. His was a multifaceted fighter on defense. As an opponent you could not time him well as his defensive posture was always being altered. Walcott as one example felt he would hit Marciano at will. In practice however Jersey Joe was always looking to hit Marciano with shots but had a hard time landing consistently. Also Marciano followed through with his punches bobbing out, down and low if he missed his right hand becoming a hard target to counter.

I’d rate it as a 50/50 fight with Louis more apt to win on cuts/facial damage rather than a ko. Rocky on the other hand if he wins its via ko.

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I at one time subscribed to the idea that the best Louis would obliterate Marciano. Today I do not believe so.

Rocky did allot that was cute in the ring. All the parries, blocks, slips, AND the low crouch with his weaving. His was a multifaceted fighter on defense. As an opponent you could not time him well as his defensive posture was always being altered. Walcott as one example felt he would hit Marciano at will. In practice however Jersey Joe was always looking to hit Marciano with shots but had a hard time landing consistently. Also Marciano followed through with his punches bobbing out, down and low if he missed his right hand becoming a hard target to counter.

I’d rate it as a 50/50 fight with Louis more apt to win on cuts/facial damage rather than a ko. Rocky on the other hand if he wins its via ko.

All true about the rock he was very well schooled indeed but another thing that leads me to think the young louis would take him out is that a slower louis didn't have much trouble finding rocky when they fought. Rocky's face looked quite bashed up quite frankly. im positive a young louis would land so often and quickly that hed stop or even ko rocky. In some ways rocky is tailor made for louis.

[QueensburyRules]

All true about the rock he was very well schooled indeed but another thing that leads me to think the young louis would take him out is that a slower louis didn't have much trouble finding rocky when they fought. Rocky's face looked quite bashed up quite frankly. im positive a young louis would land so often and quickly that hed stop or even ko rocky. In some ways rocky is tailor made for louis.

- -That was Louis in his last fight near 40 yrs old after a long, arduous career vs a still raw meat Rocky.

Any fighters making a fight have an agreed contract stipulating conditions.

None of which I see defining their proposed fight.