Rocky Marciano is not a top ten all time heavyweight and I'll tell you why

[ShoulderRoll]

All I know is that Sonny Liston, Muhammad Ali, and Jack Johnson were all black. As were Paul Williams and Shane Mosley.

Yet every single one of them fought with a different style.

So I'm trying to get a handle on what exactly is meant by "black style."

[billeau2]

All I know is that Sonny Liston, Muhammad Ali, and Jack Johnson were all black. As were Paul Williams and Shane Mosley.

Yet every single one of them fought with a different style.

So I'm trying to get a handle on what exactly is meant by "black style."

Apparently it is by virtue of self definition "ineffable." So the mere attempt to define it renders it void. What a perfect way to argue a point! its the same logic as saying, "you argue against marxist principles because you are under a false consciousness" and sure enough: when you claim capitalist principles enabled the artistic patronage of Florence Italy you are told: "You cannot see you are wrong because of your false consciousness which prevents you from seeing I am correct about your false cosciousness."

Never mind that as Americans, Black people have made countless creative contributions to society...contributions which are often embellished by people of other nationalities...So that the inchoate African spontaneous qualities that made jazz such an innovation, can be heard in such places as Japan where Japanese musicians who studied the likes of Charles Mingus play with all the creative ineffable qualities part of jazz.

[Anthony342]

So it's like when someone tries to claim you have some sort of mental illness and you know they're wrong, but when you tell them, they claim you're just in denial.

[The Old LefHook]

Ill discuss it. Your wrong. I can tell you why. Its not a crazy assumption either, it makes perfect sense actually but...its not correct. Heres why:

The blacks you are talking about are blacks from Africa that were brought to America. But before we talk about those blacks lets talk about Africa. Africa is a large and genetically diverse continent. Race is not the primary indicator of genetics...there are many traits in Africa for a variety of reasons, probably because the continent has always experienced the interaction of different ad hoc and established tribes. Middle East genetic variants, semitic variants, Nubian, coastal, Asiatic, Hamitic, etc.

What this means is that in Africa will exist ALL manner of people, the tallest, the shortest...and indeed demography bares this out Lefty: You have tribes in Africa that exist on nothing but dairy...all the way up to lactose intolerant groups. You have pygmies, and very tall groups. Which means you have some of the most athletic people along with some of the least athletic people in Africa. this effect can be seen in China, even though China is not as genetically diverse: You have billions of Chinese, which is why you see very intelligent asians...you also have many very ****** asians, because...you have billions of Chinese. Proportionally there are not more smart asians, just a lot of all kinds of intelligence because of the sheer amount of chinese people.

Now, when the slave trade brought people from Africa the first thing that happened is on the voyage over, if you had a bad heart, or a predisposition to not handle duress, you would get sick and die...so by the time ****** arrive here you already have ****** captured for strength, a further weeding out because of the journey, and then on top of this ****** are bred to reproduce strong offspring. You are breeding for and controlling for a percentage of the strongest people from an already diverse environment, having already selected those superior from that environment to begin with.

Now do you understand why you are wrong about this? If you took any group sufficiently diverse, and weeded out weaknesses, then bred for similar qualities you would get a similar result...which is why, for example, there may be a lot of in bred apalachian types, but you also have Jack Dempsey...or why working class groups where physical labor and stress made for right conditions, created fighters from ***s, Italians, etc.

Race is not even a genetic indicator... There are people from scandinavia and Africa that share more genetic traits than two African groups in proximity to each other.

You are only arguing the reasons, I am arguing the fact. You will not name any white athletes with black speed and movement. Do you hear me now? You will not name any, not one. Why not? Could it be there are none?

I understand those reasons you gave and consider them correct. They are the reason Jimmy the Greek was fired as a TV analyst. Jimmy was correct, too, but he was not politically correct.

Only some black fighters can fight in the black style. It is notable that NO white fighters can fight this way. It is quite a notable fact, sir.

[billeau2]

You are only arguing the reasons, I am arguing the fact. You will not name any white athletes with black speed and movement. Do you hear me now? You will not name any, not one. Why not? Could it be there are none?

I understand those reasons you gave and consider them correct. They are the reason Jimmy the Greek was fired as a TV analyst. Jimmy was correct, too, but he was not politically correct.

Only some black fighters can fight in the black style. It is notable that NO white fighters can fight this way. It is quite a notable fact, sir.

Black Style?

[elfag]

You do realize the olympics (Global event ) are mainly dominated by whites right? Outside sprinting type events .

Year in and year out, over 90 percent of the World's Strongest Man competitors are White. And what's more, the few non-Whites who are invited to the competition for "diversity's" sake, routinely place in the bottom half of the competition. Usually dead last or very near it.

White domination extends to all other strength sports as well. In fact, White men dominate any athletic endeavor founded in strength. Since their inception, they have dominated power-lifting and Olympic weightlifting competitions. They tend to predominate in the "field" events of track & field, Olympic wrestling (both freestyle and Greco Roman),

White dominated sports: Baseball, Softball, MMA, Kick Boxing ,soccer, wrestling, boxing is now white/hispanic dominated, weight lifting ,Strongman , swimming, hockey, golf, rugby, water polo, skating, nascar, tennis, bowling, cricket, cycling, fencing, horse racing, volleyball, surfing, archery, Arm Wresting shooting,rowing, sailing, triathlon, various winter sports, diving, and rowing.

Black dominated sports: Basketball,football ,Sprinting


Those who feel that blacks are the supreme athletes of the world and that this is due to their genetic makeup are perhaps subscribers to one, or many, of the numerous theories on the enhanced black body type. Chances are they grew up watching a disproportionate amount of black NBA players or professional boxers and, along with the gained information that blacks have “special” nerve endings, came to the conclusion that blacks are simply born better athletes than everyone else. It is an understandable mistake to make in today’s world of racism, misinformation, and biased media. Cant explain lefhooks abundance of ******ity on here thats something else altogether as usual .



I could go on but " pugilist " will have a heart attack ,the race bait is his thing so i'll stop. lol

white boy mad because he dont have fast twitch

[elfag]

Hispanics of the Americas are not really whites, they have much injun blood which is mongol. My Nords are (or used to be) pure white. Physiologically that means the cross section of their bones is wider. Whites have bigger bones, though maybe not boners. The strongest whites will snap the wrists of the strongest blacks in arm wrestling. Bone cross sections are foundational to the limits of human strength. An abundance of fast twitch fibers is essential to boxing in the black style--and yes, there is one, so let's not get into that. Not every black fights in the black style. There is nothing particularly black about Timothy Bradley's syle, for instance. He fights like a lot of white fighters fight.

I found it a bit amazing that not a single white fighter fights successfully in the pure black style. Johnny Tapia may have been the last truly successful one.

White fighters who have an evasive defensive game generally fight in the white man's variation of it, which is stiff and straight up, using lots of legs, without the fancy frills. Two known exceptions to this are Willie Pep and Nicolino Locche, who could match any black in history for speed and fancy moves. There will of course be other exceptions, but I believe these are the two most notable. Right now, no white I can think of fights in the pure black style and is great. Tyson, of course, did not fight in the black style, but retained super-explosiveness from the style Damato forged.

The archetypal expression of the black style is found in Ali, who took many of its elements to an exaggerated level.

hamed fought like a black boy and he wasnt black

[The Old LefHook]

As far as important matters go, boxing is nothing. Boxing is not important. You would not say we really need more blacks because they are better boxers. What the world needs very badly is intellectual talent trained and in the right places. The human race leaks out true super geniuses at about 2 per billion. Joe Blow will not solve the crises facing us, only a super genius can, some guy at his desk working equations. A popular argument today with some is that the Chinese have a higher average IQ but less spread, they are more tightly packed in a statistical sense, so produce fewer super geniuses. It is very difficult to trust any of these studies on race and intelligence because they are all so heavily inflected with personal views you can tell the authors set out with and never altered.

It does not matter much to me that one "race," might produce 3 super geniuses per billion and another only 2. No one could do such a study correctly. What we need are super geniuses. I don't care how many super geniuses a race produces per billion, only that they do. We need every one of them desperately. And that is precisely the reason that the entire world must educate their people. We do not want to miss another Ramanujan again. At some point in the future a super genius will change our very paradigm of the universe like Newton and Einstein did. It could be a Syrian, a Mexican or a Swede, they can all produce super geniuses.

A country should not deny its own to educate the rest of the world. 300,000 Chinese college students alone in the U.S. is a bit overboard. There is no reason to educate our competitors, even when we see the value of education for everyone. They have to do that for themselvs, or should have to. How insane is it to educate middle eastern students on nuclear technology? You mean we could not let them figure it out for themselves, thereby giving ourselves a better chance of survivial?

Blacks had better hope their intellectual equipment can compete with Swedes and Asians, that is what actually matters, not fast twitch fibers. Personally, I believe it can. Next time around whoever shifts the paradigm of our consciouisness has less chance to be white, which matters not a whit, of course, only that it shifts matters.

When we have every super genius that is born doing appropriate work, we can increase the rate of discovery like never before. There will be a few decades of human discovery that exceeds anything that preceded it, before the computer implanted semi-humans take over our research. Boxing may be one of the viewing activities the semi-humans will figure out can keep us out of trouble while they work on important matters. Hell, one of those matters could be getting rid of pesky humans, who no longer contribute much to the higher activities of reseach and advancement.

[The Old LefHook]

hamed fought like a black boy and he wasnt black

This is true, Hamed did. Let me remind you the man was no Irishman. He had black in him. The middle east is saturated in black blood.

[billeau2]

As far as important matters go, boxing is nothing. Boxing is not important. You would not say we really need more blacks because they are better boxers. What the world needs very badly is intellectual talent trained and in the right places. The human race leaks out true super geniuses at about 2 per billion. Joe Blow will not solve the crises facing us, only a super genius can, some guy at his desk working equations. A popular argument today with some is that the Chinese have a higher average IQ but less spread, they are more tightly packed in a statistical sense, so produce fewer super geniuses. It is very difficult to trust any of these studies on race and intelligence because they are all so heavily inflected with personal views you can tell the authors set out with and never altered.

It odes not matter much to me that one "race," might produce 3 super geniuses per billion and another only 2. No one could do such a study correctly. What we need are super geniuses. I don't care how many super geniuses a race produces per billion, only that they do. We need every one of them desperately. And that is precisely the reason that the entire world must educate their people. We do not want to miss another Ramanujan again. At some point in the future a super genius will change our very paradigm of the universe like Newton and Einstein did. It could be a Syrian, a Mexican or a Swede, they can all produce super geniuses.

A country should not deny its own to educate the rest of the world. 300,000 Chinese college students alone in the U.S. is a bit overboard. There is no reason to educate our competitors, even when we see the value of education for everyone. They have to do that for themselvs, or should have to. How insane is it to educate middle eastern students on nuclear technology? You mean we could not let them figure it out for themselves, thereby giving ourselves a better chance of survivial?

Blacks had better hope their intellectual equipment can compete with Swedes and Asians, that is what actually matters, not fast twitch fibers. Personally, I believe it can. Next time around whoever shifts the paradigm of our consciouisness has less chance to be white, which matters not a whit, of course, only that it shifts matters.

When we have every super genius that is born doing appropriate work, we can increase the rate of discovery like never before. There will be a few decades of human discovery that exceeds anything that preceded it, before the computer implanted semi-humans take over our research. Boxing may be one of the viewing activities the semi-humans will figure out can keep us out of trouble while they work on important matters. Hell, one of those matters could be getting rid of pesky humans, who no longer contribute much to the higher activities of reseach and advancement.

Your numbers are hyperbole but your point is spot on...in my humble opinion. Lefty its not super genius that we need it is creativity. Creativity is the true wellspring of intelligence, it is what allows human beings to thrive. Education emphasizes service to our society (the social contract) and service to the elites (job training). You can be a good paid slave if you study the right job training. What we need are kids who want to cure cancer, have the resources to try and then out of this will emerge our geniuses. This is a proven fact.

True story: There was a black teacher in Harlem who decided to make a game for his first to fourth grade students...It was a game where the problems in the world were put to the class in a board game format and the idea was to solve the problems...well, word got out that these kids came up with some incredible solutions and it was not long before the class was paid a visit by the government. All above board! the government guys wanted to see the solutions! True story.