The AlexKid 'questions about punchers, chins, hiprotation etc.' superduper thread.

[The Old LefHook]

These are the tales of the idiotic questions the Kid asks again and again about punching power. Punching power obviously gives the Kid a hard on. To him, Shavers and Tyson are cruiserweights, so he can fantasize about them, too. Why did he forget Frazier, one has to ask? Joe was not very good looking. But what really matters to the Kid is what he thinks of as punching power. He can apparently melt anyone down from 215 to 200 without ill effects and include them in his fantasies. He even has the hideously-faced Bowe as an AT power puncher. But then, he will not see Bowe's face during the wild rear action he envisions.

[lightsout_finit]

Georges Carpentier....
Nonito Donaire....
Arguello...

Langford, pac, Hearns and Guillermo jones (as others have mentioned)

[The Old LefHook]

Power never does fully carry up the weight scale, that I have seen. But I sure have seen multiple examples of men moving up whose punch no longer kayoes their opponents senseless. Their power is never fully there, now that's a fact of life. Julian Jackson would not have seemed a devastating puncher to Dwight Braxton.

Duran is one fighter whose power was relatively stable. It certainly diminshed as he went up but remained good enough to stun or hurt his heavier opponents.

[lightsout_finit]

Power never does fully carry up the weight scale, that I have seen. But I sure have seen multiple examples of men moving up whose punch no longer kayoes their opponents senseless. Their power is never fully there, now that's a fact of life. Julian Jackson would not have seemed a devastating puncher to Dwight Braxton.

Duran is one fighter whose power was relatively stable. It certainly diminshed as he went up but remained good enough to stun or hurt his heavier opponents.

Yeah, I would say the same about James Toney......

[The Old LefHook]

Yeah, I would say the same about James Toney......

Toney is another good example.

[AlexKid]

Power never does fully carry up the weight scale, that I have seen. But I sure have seen multiple examples of men moving up whose punch no longer kayoes their opponents senseless. Their power is never fully there, now that's a fact of life. Julian Jackson would not have seemed a devastating puncher to Dwight Braxton.

Duran is one fighter whose power was relatively stable. It certainly diminshed as he went up but remained good enough to stun or hurt his heavier opponents.

Insightful thanks!

Why do you think that is? Why does it diminish so much?

[The Old LefHook]

Insightful thanks!

Why do you think that is? Why does it diminish so much?

I think once an athlete has too high a muscle density to bone cross section radius ratio, adding muscle will only help the opponent. Marciano would not have the cross section radius to carry around 40 pounds more of pure muscle. He could carry it around on the street, but in the ring it would be his own worst adversary.

Robinson was thin and lithe. Add twenty five pounds of pure muscle to his frame and you will have exceeded his cross section threshhold, is how I see it. He would punch harder, but not as much as expected. Additional weight would not increase his punch, for it would slow down in its delivery enough to compensate for the extra strength behind it. And his stamina would be much poorer. Punching power has a limit for each individual.

[rightsideup]

I think once an athlete has too high a muscle density to bone cross section radius ratio, adding muscle will only help the opponent. Marciano would not have the cross section radius to carry around 40 pounds more of pure muscle. He could carry it around on the street, but in the ring it would be his own worst adversary.

Robinson was thin and lithe. Add twenty five pounds of pure muscle to his frame and you will have exceeded his cross section threshhold, is how I see it. He would punch harder, but not as much as expected. Additional weight would not increase his punch, for it would slow down in its delivery enough to compensate for the extra strength behind it. And his stamina would be much poorer. Punching power has a limit for each individual.

intersting duran always punched harder and had more cordination at 156 than any weight higher at ages ranging from 32 thru 45 and he was higher many times and was not effective

[AlexKid]

intersting duran always punched harder and had more cordination at 156 than any weight higher at ages ranging from 32 thru 45 and he was higher many times and was not effective

i think the opposite becomes true at the really light weights, because NONE of them almost can produce enough power to ko anyone

[Fury4daWIN]

These are the tales of the idiotic questions the Kid asks again and again about punching power. Punching power obviously gives the Kid a hard on. To him, Shavers and Tyson are cruiserweights, so he can fantasize about them, too. Why did he forget Frazier, one has to ask? Joe was not very good looking. But what really matters to the Kid is what he thinks of as punching power. He can apparently melt anyone down from 215 to 200 without ill effects and include them in his fantasies. He even has the hideously-faced Bowe as an AT power puncher. But then, he will not see Bowe's face during the wild rear action he envisions.

Shavers was 210 in his prime, and not a particularly ripped 210 either. He could very easily have boiled down to the 200 limit in today's division without ill effect. Marco Huck and many of the larger cruiserweights do the same today. Tyson I agree was too large to ever fight at cruiserweight.