Roy Jones Jr. Do the KO losses depreciate his legacy

[joseph5620]

Roy's way of fighting was based on supernatural reflexes. Once that outer garment was removed it was apparent Jones had few traditional skills packed away in his medicine bag for a rainy day. He simply did not have the traditional skills that MW had. He was a poor fighter without his natural gifts. He does not have the skills to survive even against weathered scrubs like Maccenralli.

Some of his decline was due to his own ******ity. He ruined his legs playing baskeball for hours everyday, pounding away on cement courts. What he should have been doing was learning some traditional skills.

In mythical matchups he will be going in at his best, almost untouchable. I just figure guys like Charles and Foster & Tunney will be able to touch him anyway.

Another pertinent fact is his fights were some of the most boring that were ever highly promoted. Watching reruns of his fights on YouTube is almost unbearable. Back in the day watching him fight on TV, we at least had the advantage of thinking something exciting might happen at any moment. It never did until he was Kayoed by Tarver. That was the most exciting thing that ever happened in a RJJ fight. Since then, he has provided us with many more exciting moments.

He toyed with the public. That is why I never liked him. Take what I give you or go to hell, was his message. He could have fought more exciting opponents, but refused. He thought he was so great he did not have to fight the very best fighters the public wanted to see him against. Take what I give you or go to hell. Now he is the one in hell.

I love to see him struggle with his own identity now. He was no hero of mine. I wanted him punished for what he did to the fans, and now he is well punished. If he wants to continue with his own punishment, that is up ti him, not me.

His legacy will not be too affected, but it will be affected. Many people now suspect he never did have a chin, and anyone with any sense realizes he comes up very short on the traditional skills list.

He just cannot get over himself. Everyone else is over him though.

He's 46 years old and shot. It has nothing to do with lack of skills. You can make a list of every single fighter in history at 46, regardless of skills, and most if not all were/are a shell of what they once were. Sugar Ray Leonard was shot at 34. It sure as hell wasn't because he lacked skill.



Reflexes alone will not make a fighter what Roy Jones jr was. It also requires skill. If that was the case Meldrick Taylor and Howard Davis jr would have had the same success as Jones jr.

[Humean]

The Tarver and Johnson ones do a little bit, Green, Lebedev, Mac not so much. You can't just count all the good and none of the bad.

[sonnyboyx2]

I thought I saw this thread somewhere else. I agree that it should not affect his legacy. Reasoning backwards if one considered Roy's greatness a consideration of his entire career then we can conclude that:

1) Calzagne is much better

2) Roy loses to pressure fighters that are very good but not great...Glencoff Johnson and that there are superior boxers and punchers who can at least match him like Tarver.

Obviously these are false conclusions, they are on the order of considering Mike Tyson circa Lennox Lewis fight was in his prime.

Some guys have longevity some don't. Some guys show greatness at the highest levels, some excellent fighters don't.

This post proves this guy is "The Forum Troll"...If we was to run a poll asking every forum member. Who was the greater fighter Jones or Calzagie?... Jones would recieve 99% of the vote... it pains me to read the fools posts.

[The Old LefHook]

This post proves this guy is "The Forum Troll"...If we was to run a poll asking every forum member. Who was the greater fighter Jones or Calzagie?... Jones would recieve 99% of the vote... it pains me to read the fools posts.

Sober up and read his post. A dog barks no matter who is at the door. That's you.

[Elroy1]

This post proves this guy is "The Forum Troll"...If we was to run a poll asking every forum member. Who was the greater fighter Jones or Calzagie?... Jones would recieve 99% of the vote... it pains me to read the fools posts.

Bill is the biggest troll since Ray Corso..

Beyond any doubt!

[billeau2]

This post proves this guy is "The Forum Troll"...If we was to run a poll asking every forum member. Who was the greater fighter Jones or Calzagie?... Jones would recieve 99% of the vote... it pains me to read the fools posts.

Sonny its a bit above your head here...let someone explain it to you. I am not saying Calzighe is better than JOnes.

You just showed how ****** you are Would you like me to explain the post to you?

Read the second part of the post slowly. Look up Conclusion and think of what it means when something is False. Hint it is the opposite of true.

There. In the spirit of christmas I was a good guy and explained what the adults were talking about, your welcome.

[billeau2]

Bill is the biggest troll since Ray Corso..

Beyond any doubt!

And heres the other one on cue, who also either did not read the post, or didn't understand it.

Refer to post again and read it slowly... I know logic eludes you but sometimes when we reason using logic we get a false conclusion which lets one know that a view point is unrealistic...you following me? So: by reasoning backwards that Roy's career as a whole was tantamount to his exceptional status, we can see a problem: That would be that the fighters that bested Jones later in his career were obviously not on the level of Jones when he was at his best.

I can explain the rest to you slooowly in a PM but It might take some time considering your double digit IQ. Just let me know and I will be glad to break it down for you Merry Christmas junior!

[billeau2]

Sober up and read his post. A dog barks no matter who is at the door. That's you.

Please lets mark this thread, if there is any doubt as to the idiocy of Funny Sonny, or Elroy, this thread should be a sticky. Wanna bet Sonny tries to change his post? But the other clown elriod has left a mark showing his own duhhh? lack if reading comprehension.

Who needs to kick these guys? they kick themselves!

[Joeyzagz]

............Do the defeats and knock out losses, depreciate Roy Jones ATG Legacy?.. Roy Jones went undefeated in 15yrs winning world championships from middleweight up to heavyweight.. Considered one of the greatest fighters in history, before suffering his first loss at 35yrs of age.

Lennox was 35 years old when he got caught by Rahman. 36 when he destroyed Rahman in the rematch yet you crucify him for it.

But to answer your question, yes Roy absolutely sucks. I mean that sincerely. He wasa guy with fast reflexes and once that left you saw how vulnerable and useless he really was. I wish he would retire because now hes tarnishing Calzaghes legacy with all these ****** losses.

[rightsideup]

roy should have hung them up after winning a portion of the hw title against ruiz