why wasnt ali an entertaining fighter??and why did he run so much??

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[QUOTE=smasher]No it's wrong.

Hagler-Hearns was a fight. Pryor-Arguello I was a fight. Leonard-Hearns I was a fight. I had no problem paying money for these because these were actual fights with two willing and capable fighters.

Tyson-Williams was not. Tyson-Berbick was not. Tyson-Tubbs was not. Tyson-Spinks was not. Do you get it?[/QUOTE

yeah i get it. but hey u cant blame tyson for those

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CLAY-JONES
CLAY-LISTON
FRAZIER-ALI
ALI-FOREMAN
ALI-FRAZIER III
SPINKS-ALI

I don't know what your issue is with these choices. CLAY-JONES AND CLAY-LISTON bore little significance at the time they were fought. In '78 the runner-up HOLMES-NORTON would have been my choice but the other 5 fights were deserved of fight of the year. Both Ali-Frazier fights are often regarded as top 10 fights of all times while I have seen Frazier-Ali listed as the greatest fight of all time. Are you suggesting these fights were not good enough to be voted on as fight of the year?

Clay-Liston bore little significance?



It was only a changing of the heavyweight title, and one of the biggest upsets in boxing history.

Clay-Jones wasn't really that good of a fight, but it also wasn't a huge fight. Don't know why they chose that one. Ali-Liston wasn't that good of a fighter either. Unless 1963 and 1964 absolutely ****** in terms of good action fights, they were not deserving of fights of the year

Look at some of their other choices:

Fights of the Year:

1973: George Foreman KO2 Joe Frazier
1977: Jimmy Young W12 George Foreman

Rounds of the Year:

1952: Marciano-Walcott, 13
1957: Robinson-Fullmer, 5
1959: Johansson-Patterson, 3
1960: Patterson-Johansson, 5
1968: Foster-Tiger, 4
1973: Foreman-Frazier, 2
1988: Tyson-Spinks, 1

Actually what I said earlier applies more to Rounds of the Year more than Fights of the Year. My mistake. But those first two choices for Clay/Ali fights were not very good fights.

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Clay-Liston bore little significance?

No one knew at the time it was voted on how much significance it would hold as Clay's win seemed more a fluke and Liston was still the betting favourite in the rematch.

At fight time the betting odds favoured Liston 7-1 not much different than the 6-1 fight time betting odds on Holyfield-Tyson I which I don't consider that big of an upset. Clay's upset was nowhere near as big as Douglas-Tyson or even Schmeling-Louis for that matter.

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u cant blame tyson for those

I don't. I blame it on his opponents who were often like a deer in the headlights.

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No it's wrong.

Hagler-Hearns was a fight. Pryor-Arguello I was a fight. Leonard-Hearns I was a fight. I had no problem paying money for these because these were actual fights with two willing and capable fighters.

Tyson-Williams was not. Tyson-Berbick was not. Tyson-Tubbs was not. Tyson-Spinks was not. Do you get it?

Any Tyson KO fight was more exciting than any one of Ali's. You just can't accept it like every Ali fan.
Tyson vs Ruddock 1 is the best fight ever imo.

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Any Tyson KO fight was more exciting than any one of Ali's. You just can't accept it like every Ali fan.
Tyson vs Ruddock 1 is the best fight ever imo.

that was a really god fight. u saw glimpses of the 80s tyson also. even the commentators commented on it

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Any Tyson KO fight was more exciting than any one of Ali's. You just can't accept it like every Ali fan.
Tyson vs Ruddock 1 is the best fight ever imo.

yeah, i guess that's why three of ali's fights are in the top ten, huh?

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No one knew at the time it was voted on how much significance it would hold as Clay's win seemed more a fluke and Liston was still the betting favourite in the rematch.

At fight time the betting odds favoured Liston 7-1 not much different than the 6-1 fight time betting odds on Holyfield-Tyson I which I don't consider that big of an upset. Clay's upset was nowhere near as big as Douglas-Tyson or even Schmeling-Louis for that matter.

The fight was average at best. The action wasn't very good.

Anytime the heavyweight title changes (especially in the 1960s), it has a HUGE significance in boxing.

And it was a big upset. People thought Liston was some monster that would reign for a long time. So what if Douglas-Tyson was bigger? Douglas-Tyson is the biggest upset in boxing history. Clay-Liston was still a big, big upset, regardless if some others were bigger.

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yeah, i guess that's why three of ali's fights are in the top ten, huh?

Listed by old guys.
**** listed fights. More people came to see Tyson and that is an undisputable fact!!

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man guys i made this thread jus as a gag. no need to argue.geeeeeeeeeeez