The education thread show a vid and tell us what to look for

[billeau2]

The idea if this thread is to introduce people to the benefit of Utube as a resource. When many of us were coming up we were lucky to occasionally catch a broadcast where an old fight would be shown....something like "the way we were" a sports show where older athletes were brought back and footage was shown.

Today on utube one can watch almost any fight they want!! So the idea here is talk about a fighter or skill and then give a link where one can watch a vid, or a particular fight, round, whatever so people can see what you are talking about. I would like something like this to be a sticky because it can be referred to in future debates. That is up to the mods!

[billeau2]

Ill get things started. This video is one of my favorites. it shows, despite popular misconceptions, that Marciano was not only methodical but a much better defensive fighter than he is credited with being.



As the film creator says "While not a defensive fighter Marciano was an excellent counter puncher and had defensive skills." I would add that Marciano's ability to slip punches was excellent.

[BattlingNelson]

The idea if this thread is to introduce people to the benefit of Utube as a resource. When many of us were coming up we were lucky to occasionally catch a broadcast where an old fight would be shown....something like "the way we were" a sports show where older athletes were brought back and footage was shown.

Today on utube one can watch almost any fight they want!! So the idea here is talk about a fighter or skill and then give a link where one can watch a vid, or a particular fight, round, whatever so people can see what you are talking about. I would like something like this to be a sticky because it can be referred to in future debates. That is up to the mods!

Let's see how it goes and take it from there Bill.

[sonnyboyx2]

My video is watch but more importantly listen to Bob Sheridan the first two minutes:



How can any knowledgeable fight fan, claim Lennox Lewis beats any version of Mike Tyson?... Lennox had the footwork of a Camel.

[sonnyboyx2]

In 1989 i wondered why Canadian 1988 Olympic Champion Lennox Lewis was turning professional in the UK, not Canada or the USA. it was a very smart move by Lennox which not many people picked up on. Lennox was starting out in his pro career and wanted as smooth a run as possible to a world title. If he turned pro in his native Canada, he had the rugged Trevor Berbick to fight. most likely within his first 10 pro fights. if he accepted the big money offers on his table to turn pro in the USA, he had Rid**** Bowe & many other pro fighters to face before a world title fight. Here in the UK Lennox only had Gary Mason & Frank Bruno to deal with on his way to world honours. The European Union had absolutely nothing to scare Lennox, so he accepted the UK. Trevor Berbick who wrestled the title off Pinklon Thomas was "No Slouch" he was a rough, tough, strong guy who was a handful for any young upcoming fighter. Could Trevor Berbick have derailed Lennox Lewis in the 1990-1992 period?.. most definitely Yes!.. Berbick made the mistake of standing in front of Mike Tyson and fighting him.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Cool thread but probably should be in the training section...

Im too lazy and dumb to upload videos...

But my 2 cents is watch hopkins-tito...

Tito is the destroyer that is on a terror and can't wait to unload on the old paper champ hopkins...
Hopkins uses that aggression against tito...

Hopkins begins by slowly circling tito and acting like he is gonna engage, and when tito steps up for the exchange, hopkins backs off.. he does this repeatedly for 2 rounds and at the end of the 2nd tito is kinda bored and hopkins double jabs and sends a huge straight right down the pipe and nails it...
Physcologically,, hopkins had just tricked tito, and now has him like a rampaging bull the rest of the fight and hopkins is easily able to be the matador and slice him up, slowly but surely..

One of the greatest performances ever in boxing IMO

Hopkins was a true Executioner in that fight

[NChristo]

Just began writing again for fun n this is the perfect thread for me at the moment really, started a few days ago with watching round 1 of Jofre vs Harada I a few times and picking pieces out, mainly about Jofre though.

Jofre's main strengths in the first round were his ability too control the pace of the fight by using his jab and defence, he constantly controlled the center of the ring with his footwork (When he didn't control it he quickly reclaimed it) and constantly kept Harada hesitating with his feints, the right uppercut feint was used too great effect here and there to keep Harada diving as his usual self (the right hand lead also kept Harada wary).

Watch for Jofre's slip and right uppercut to the body as well, beautiful punch which caught Harada time n time again.

[billeau2]

Just began writing again for fun n this is the perfect thread for me at the moment really, started a few days ago with watching round 1 of Jofre vs Harada I a few times and picking pieces out, mainly about Jofre though.

Jofre's main strength in the first round were his ability too control the pace of the fight by using his jab and defence, he constantly controlled the center of the ring with his footwork (When he didn't control it he quickly reclaimed it) and constantly kept Harada hesitating with his f. eints, the right uppercut feint was used too great effect here and there to keep Harada diving as his usual self (the right hand lead also kept Harada wary).

Watch for Jofre's slip and right uppercut to the body as well, beautiful punch which caught Harada time n time again.

Jofre also has nice tight elbows, Hard to get through his guard and hard to counter his punches.

[Ben Bolt]

I’m not against any religion, I believe it can be both comforting and necessary to people as life can be rather tough at times. And depending on where we grew up, we [preferably] choose the God we’re already familiar with.

Though, can we be sure of if certain circumstances don’t play our minds tricks at time.

Had Foreman became a believer at just this day ?Mar. 17, 1977 ?minutes after the 12th round against Jimmy Young, if his body and brain hadn’t suffer of complete exhaustion and dehydration?

However, this loss changed Foreman’s life for [to him] something better.
And we others, religious or not, might find something in the phrase “Embrace your losses, they will make you stronger.?

Foreman: When I was in that dressing room after the fight with Young, down on that floor, blood on my hand and forehead, screaming that Jesus Christ was coming alive in me, I wasn't interested in any religion. But from that point on, I started reciting the Bible, talking from the pit of my stomach, in that dressing room. I was talking about how Jesus was God's son and that he was alive. So when I came out of that, I asked a friend to go get me a Bible. And he said, "What kind?" And I said, "I don't know. One like your mother has." So, he went out and bought me a King James version of the Bible. And that's how I got into religion.

[billeau2]

Cool thread but probably should be in the training section...

Im too lazy and dumb to upload videos...

But my 2 cents is watch hopkins-tito...

Tito is the destroyer that is on a terror and can't wait to unload on the old paper champ hopkins...
Hopkins uses that aggression against tito...

Hopkins begins by slowly circling tito and acting like he is gonna engage, and when tito steps up for the exchange, hopkins backs off.. he does this repeatedly for 2 rounds and at the end of the 2nd tito is kinda bored and hopkins double jabs and sends a huge straight right down the pipe and nails it...
Physcologically,, hopkins had just tricked tito, and now has him like a rampaging bull the rest of the fight and hopkins is easily able to be the matador and slice him up, slowly but surely..

One of the greatest performances ever in boxing IMO

Hopkins was a true Executioner in that fight

The thread is about techniques that make fighters great...its designed to present proof of contentions people have about the skills of historically great fighters. Thats why it was made, not to discuss training methods. There are guys who use tape to show many things, among them how practice turns into application, how a technique should be executed, etc. the purpose here is to demonstrate various assertions. For example, when some idiot like Leroy call marciano a primitive brawler one cand plainly see him slipping jabs, counter punching, using angles, controlling distance and using a full array of punches.

And nobody is forced to present tape, if one is lazy so be it. But its nice to show proof. I for one would be very interested to see any proof of a heavyweight from Tyson on, with the ability to slip jabs, fight at all ranges, counter punch and using angles. And James Toney does not count!!