Which boxer do you add a win to?

[greeh]

It wouldn't exactly been the fight/win with the most historical impact throughout history, but I’ll go with it anyway - a Watanabe victory over Khaosai.

Let’s say Watanabe had temporarily put his thoughts on a unification bout with Poontarat on hold, and instead decided to please the crooks of WBA and met his mandatory challenger, in say, late ’84/early ‘85.

Possibly leads to Galaxy never gaining the type of over-the-top plaudits and sat on a pedestal by “The Ring” - especially if he gets badly outclassed - which would result in a much more sensible and non-delusional rating of his ability/talent, even if he would've captured a belt afterwards and attained the exact same number of defences as he actually did.

A different scenario is that everything would've remained the same, with the exception of Jiro's reputation increasing through the roof in retrospect.

[joeandthebums]

It wouldn't exactly been the fight/win with the most historical impact throughout history, but I'll go with it anyway - a Watanabe victory over Khaosai.

No doubt you've seen it, but have you caught their exhibition contest?

Let's say Watanabe had temporarily put his thoughts on a unification bout with Poontarat on hold, and instead decided to please the crooks of WBA and met his mandatory challenger, in say, late ’84/early ‘85.

Despite the complete lack of credibility of all the organizations it's still worth pointing out that they stripped a champion of his title for wanting to prove himself the best.

Possibly leads to Galaxy never gaining the type of over-the-top plaudits and sat on a pedestal by “The Ring” - especially if he gets badly outclassed - which would result in a much more sensible and non-delusional rating of his ability/talent, even if he would've captured a belt afterwards and attained the exact same number of defences as he actually did.

I do think Khaosai is right alongside Roman, Watanabe and Moon at the top at the time. Would have to go look back at The Ring to see how they covered that period.

But if downplaying of one for others to gain I would go along with.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Oscar over tito



Oscar would be so much more highly regarded if he got that decision......

People tend to view oscar as a great fighter but never won the big fights, yet i find that view absurd since he has wins over genaro, chavez, ruelas, pernell, ike, vargas, and add tito to the list and oscar gets elevated in the ATG rankings

[Anthony342]

2010?

I think Mayweather suffers slightly more than Pacquiao from the two never meeting, regardless of whose to blame or who would of won.

The winner would of had a great claim at being the fighter of the decade on top of the legacy impact.

Well they're talking about this fight again, with Manny saying he'll agree to any and all of Floyd's terms, so we'll see if Mayweather makes more excuses not to fight him since the ball is in his court now.

[Anthony342]

2010?

I think Mayweather suffers slightly more than Pacquiao from the two never meeting, regardless of whose to blame or who would of won.

The winner would of had a great claim at being the fighter of the decade on top of the legacy impact.

What if the fight happens in 2015? How does it effect either's legacy?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Ok, I kinda miss read the thread,,,, if it's a realistic fantasy fight

Would have loved to seen holyfield beat an undefeated tyson circa 89-90

Lewis beating bowe

Bowe and tyson throwing down circa 95-96, not sure who wins

[IronDanHamza]

Well they're talking about this fight again, with Manny saying he'll agree to any and all of Floyd's terms, so we'll see if Mayweather makes more excuses not to fight him since the ball is in his court now.

I wonder if Pacquaio will turn down the fight again

We'll see.

[greeh]

No doubt you've seen it, but have you caught their exhibition contest?

Yup.

Despite the complete lack of credibility of all the organizations it's still worth pointing out that they stripped a champion of his title for wanting to prove himself the best.

Correct. Just another proof on what a bunch of tumors the belt organizations are.

Anyway, I might actually have overestimated how a potential loss would’ve changed Khaosai’s career trajectory and future reputation. Keep in mind that he had yet to establish himself and was virtually nothing more than an unknown Thai with a fancy looking record at the time (‘84) - basically just another mandatory challenger - and a loss may only been labeled as a "fighter yet to come into his own losing to a more experienced champ" incident.

Unless he receives a career-shortening beating and doesn’t pick up a strap and at least a few defences further down the road.

I do think Khaosai is right alongside Roman, Watanabe and Moon at the top at the time. Would have to go look back at The Ring to see how they covered that period.

But if downplaying of one for others to gain I would go along with.

Oh yes, don’t get me wrong. He is definitely amongst the best 115-pounders without a doubt. Although he isn’t the type of fighter I personally prefer - too much of a plodding, one dimensional sort of fighter for my taste - I can nonetheless appreciate his destructive nature.

He’s a fine example of how far one can reach without much variation or layers in his style, but with one or a few excellent basic tools and physical assets. Admittedly against opposition that was never going to push him to his limits, mind you. Blasting out Watanabe & Co. is a completely task compared to caving in the skulls of Matsumura and the likes.

If I am being completely honest though, I do h… nah, hate is too strong of a word to sum up what I feel... but I despise (in lack of a better word) him a bit, which is silly since it isn’t his fault that ****zines and such put him on a throne, head and shoulders above the rest of his contemporaries.

[greeh]

With that said, I am starting to regret my choice.

Give me Ohba-Borkhorsor in late ‘72 instead. It would settle who was the best Fly' during the mini-era before Canto's arrival - with the winner's historical standing gaining a huge boost.

[Anthony342]

I wonder if Pacquaio will turn down the fight again

We'll see.

Yep or if Mayweather will also throw another roadblock in the way of this fight. I hope it happens, still think both fighters are great though. Speaking of Tyson not getting to fight Holyfield sooner, wasn't there talk of a possible Tyson fight with George Foreman in the late '80s-early '90s during Foreman's comeback? Who would've taken that one? Would be a hell of a slugfest while it lasted. I could see maybe Tyson taking it if he uses that speed and head movement he was known for in his prime. Or maybe George outlasts him and stops him late or wins a close UD.

How about prime for prime? I could see one guy getting a late stoppage, it would depend on who runs out of gas sooner. Tyson maybe, giving George the edge down the stretch to eke out a decision or late TKO possibly.