Muhammad Ali was not a great fighter

[Yogi]

Yes Stinger, I really was your English teacher.

[smasher]

Rocky actually fought alot of HOF'ers but just because Ali had better oposition doesn't mean Marciano wasn't in the same league

Here we go again. Marciano's competition is nowhere near Ali's. Marciano only fought 8 fighters who weighed over 200 lbs. Most of Marciano's opponents were light-heavyweights.

5 Marciano opponents never won a fight.

2 Marciano opponents had only won 1 fight.

1 Marciano oppopnent had only won 2 fights.

5 other Marciano opponents had losing records.

Ted Lowry weighed 177 lbs and had 48 losses went the distance with Marciano. In the rematch Lowry now had 56 losses and he again went the distance with Marciano. Did Lowry have a granite jaw you ask? Lee Q Murray dropped him 7 times in one fight before KO'ing him. Rusty Payne KO'd him. Harry Mathews KO'd him. Guess not.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

Yeah?

Then you really must be naive!

i knew i spelt it wrong

i got it edit it

[RockyMarcianofan00]

alot of Marciano's opponents were good though

i'd like to point out 10 fights out of 49

that means 36 were good (he rematched 3 ppl charles,walcott,lastarza)

also you have to fight bad ppl to get to the top
Liston,Ali and other Champions they all had to fight bums to get up with the contenders
that doesn't make them any less of opponents

[hellfire508]

What, you mean this 15th round?





The article is all factual. Only Ali nuthuggers like yourself don't believe it. Ali had a padded record, it's well known. The good fighters he fought made him look bad, and he was often given gift decisions simply because he was a loudmouth.

No, the one where he didnt fight because he was TKO'd. If he came out, Ali would have killed him. Futch knew it, thus the stoppage.

[hellfire508]

YOU GUYS ARE COMPLETE ****ING MORONS. THAT ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN AS A JOKE BY BOXING HISTORIAN MONTE COX WHO WROTE UNDER THE NAME OF MONTROSE ON ANOTHER BOXING WEBSITE FORUM. HE DID IT AS AN EXAMPLE HOW FANS OFTEN LOOK AT THE NEGATIVES OF A FIGHTER WHILE COMPLETELY IGNORING THE POSITIVES. IT WAS DONE AS A COMEBACK TO A POSTER CALLED REVOLVER WHO HAD WRITTEN A SIMILAR BREAKDOWN OF JOE LOUIS HIGH LIGHTING ALL THE NEGATIVES OF JOE'S OPPOSITION. COX DID IT AS A JOKE AND UNFORTUNATELY THOSE WITH IQ'S IN THE DOUBLE DIGITS FELL FOR IT.

Actually I remember that. Though I didn't recognize the article from that incident.

[smasher]

Ali and other Champions they all had to fight bums to get up with the contenders

On February 7, 1961 Ali was scheduled to fight Willie Guelat (6-3-2). Guelatt didn't show and Jimmy Robinson (0-1-0) stepped in as a last minute substitute. Ali KO'd Robinson in 1 round.

Robinson is the ONLY Ali opponent with a losing record

[RockyMarcianofan00]

Rocky fought 4 guys that had negative records- all ko'd in the first round

and 2 that was there first fight - his first was the Epperson's first and it took Marciano 3 rounds

and the other guy was tko'd in 1 rd

and they were all within his first year of fighting

his last was 1948-12-14 (Gilley Ferron)

like Ali he fought guys in the beginning of his carreer with positive but less then decent records and even those stopped after he became a contender

[Yogi]

Ted Lowry weighed 177 lbs and had 48 losses went the distance with Marciano. In the rematch Lowry now had 56 losses and he again went the distance with Marciano. Did Lowry have a granite jaw you ask? Lee Q Murray dropped him 7 times in one fight before KO'ing him. Rusty Payne KO'd him. Harry Mathews KO'd him. Guess not.

Lowry has always been complimented on his ability to take a punch by those such as Marciano, Joe Louis (who used to belt Lowry around in sparring), and Archie Moore...who busted Lowry's jaw early in the fight only to see Tiger Ted last the full distance with the Ole Mongoose.

I don't see how only three stoppage losses to good hitters like Payne, Matthews and especially Murray (who was thought of as one of the very hardest punchers of his day) in nearly 150 fights indicates someone who doesn't have a good chin...Along with his tricky & defensive spoiler style (which was said to have consisted of a good amount of evasive footwork & clinching when an opponent got close), Lowry was always applauded for his chin & staying power back in the day.

Is it a black mark against Marciano because he couldn't knock out a "tough, ringwise heavyweight" when, according to a Dr. Thomas B. Quigley who diagnosed the injury from X-Rays only two weeks before the first fight, Marciano was fighting the guy with a slipped disc that was supposed to have required an operation?

[smasher]

Rocky fought 4 guys that had negative records- all ko'd in the first round

and 2 that was there first fight - his first was the Epperson's first and it took Marciano 3 rounds

and the other guy was tko'd in 1 rd

and they were all within his first year of fighting

his last was 1948-12-14 (Gilley Ferron)

1950 EATMAN 15-19-3
1951 MITCHELL 3-11-3
1951 HENRI 13-15-1
1951 APPLEGATE 10-14-2 (WENT THE DISTANCE!)

That's 4 fights after 1948 when he fought fighters with losing records.

How dare you challenge me with your lack of research.