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Total brain fart,,, I usually have Ezzard around 5 or 6 -
I have just spent like 2 days and hundreds of posts defending why Roy jones ain't top 20 atg,,, I got him around 25-30, and I'm glad to see that he isn't on any lists besides generalzod who probably wouldn't have mentioned him if lacedup hadn't talked about him in this thread..Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
Nsb drives me crazy, and I love coming to the history section where there is disagreements but everyone knows their boxing
And general zod a good poster so I'm not taking any shots at you bro,,,, just that I find it funny that everyone left off Roy, then laced mentions him and on the very next post you got him,,,Comment
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In no order
1 Srr
2 Ali
3 Armstrong
4 srl
5 ezzard
6 greb
7 Langford
8 Duran
9 Moore
10 hagler
11 pep
12 manny
13 Floyd
14 monzon
15 Chavez
16 Leonard
17 Louis
18 pernell
19 ross
20 mcclarin
Honorable mentions Holyfield, Roy, hearns,Comment
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1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Paquiao
3. Miguel Cotto
4. ODLH
5. Wlad Klitschko
6. Vitali Klitschko
7. Andre Ward
8. JUST KIDDING
these top 20's are always hard. I prefer to do them by era, and no my list prior is not per era.
1. SRR
2. Greb
3. Burley
4. Ezzard Charles
5. Jake LaMotta
6. Jack Dempsey
7. Canzoneri
8. McClarin
9. Joe Gans
10. Joe Lous
11. Henry Armstrong
12. Dempsey
13. SRL
14. Benny Leonard
15. Jack Johnson
16. Duran
17. Tunney
18. Ketchel
19. Barney Ross
20. Hagler
**** dude these aren't even in order. This really hard. These are just guys off my head, I even looked at a bunch of peoples lists online and quite honestly, boxing has been blessed with a ton of talented fighters throughout the years. I have no order and what I put up there is not even close to what I actually think in the end.Comment
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I could list 20 but don't think I could number them other than putting Robinson at no 1 and Armstrong at no 2.
I could do stuff like saying I think duran is probably 6-8 kinda thing but as for exactly positioning them ... nahComment
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1. "Sugar" Ray Robinson
Just can't argue with how great SRR really was, welterweight champion, multiple time mw champion and almost the lhw champion of the world. Between 1940 and 1950, Ray had everything a fighter needs, immense power, exceptional speed, quick feet and cat like reflexes. he was a league above almost everyone he faced and in that decade, he faced just about everyone who mattered. The fact that he beat top ranked contenders and HOF champions post-prime just goes to show you how good he really was.
2. Muhammad "The Louisville Lip" Ali
The only fighter who comes close to SRR in terms of all round skill, at his best, from 1964-67 Ali was as unbeatable as any fighter has ever been. The heavyweight homage to Robinson Ali had it all, a great jab, a terrific right hand, reflexes never before seen in a heavyweight and instinctive, perfectly tuned footwork. Ali of the 70s was not quite as good but he added toughness, grit and a never say die attitude to his work, along with the scalps of Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Shavers and co, the greatest resume in the division's history.
3. Willie "Will O' the Wisp" Pep
The single greatest defensive wizard in the sport, he'd make the likes of Whitaker and Mayweather look ordinary. Fleet footed and always exceptionally well conditioned, he danced rings around the featherweight division better than anyone else before or since. After his plane crash, he wasn't quite the same fighter, he was a tad slower, a little less of a dancer but just like Ali, he had to learn to go to war and he did, many, many times.
4. Henry "Homicide Hank" Armstrong
Armstrong was whirring machine of destruction, a man who never seemed to stop punching, no matter if he was fighting featherweights or middleweights. He had a great engine, exceptional power and the ability to adjust to his opponents. At his very best he almost held half the world titles on offer in the sport, a feat that would now seem impossible. He may not have been defensively savvy as Pep or as pretty to watch as Ali but he was equally as effective.
5. Benny Leonard "****** Wizard" Leonard
The greatest lightweight ever? Probably. In his prime...which seemed to go on forever, Leonard seemed to be unbeatable, he has it all, sped of foot and hand as well as the ability to fight off the front and back foot. He retired as an undefeated champion but sadly, like most fighters, he couldn't stay away and returned. If you catch footage of that version of Benny, it's a sad sight, not in the same supreme condition and never again as quick as he had been in his best years. One of the top 5 best fighters ever.
6. Joe "Brown Bomber" Louis
The second greatest heavyweight ever in my opinion, the longest reigning and one of the toughest too. Louis was a highly skilled operative in the ring, he didn't have the flair of an Ali or a Tyson, he was a lot more mechanical in the ring but he made up for it with undoubted ring smarts and great power. It's true that a lot of Louis' opposition in his long run were "bums" but he also fought his fair share of greats and HOFers, not all of them were heavyweights though, stopping him getting into my top 5.
7. Roberto "Manos de Piedra" Duran
Easily one of my favourite fighters ever to watch, the man was a beast, snarling, growling and sometimes smiling like a psychopath, he ripped a whole in the lightweight division for almost a decade but some of his most memorable bouts came as high as 160lbs, just going to show you how good he really was. Duran was an offensive master but at his best he had underrated defense, the ability to duck and slip punches. His quit job against Leonard will always leave a bitter taste in my mouth, stopping him from being any higher in my list.
8. Ezzard "Cincinnati Cobra" Charles
Famed as a heavyweight champion, Charles is amongst the best ever in three different divisions, a real rarity in the sport. He should have been light-heavyweight champion but was never given the chance, despite being no. 1 contender and holding victories over such men as Archie Moore and Sam Baroudi. But he finally got the recognition he wanted with his heavyweight title reign, beating the likes of Walcott and Louis and proving against Marciano, that even this late in his career, he was one of the best.
9. Julio Cesar Chavez
Like Charles and Armstrong before him, Chavez can be accredited as being a great fighter, one of the absolute elite in a number of different divisions. When talking about great lightweights and great light-welterweights, it is impossible to mention the great JCC. The greatest Mexican fighter ever and a warrior with underrated boxing skills. He lacked the panache of contemporaries such as Whitaker, Leonard and Taylor but he made up for it with an unquestionable heart, a great chin and power. Chavez knew how to wear down an opponent and when the time was right, he could seriously damage them. A definite top 10.
10. "Sugar" Ray Leonard
SRL in just 40 fights has done more than what most fighters can dream of in over a 100 professional bouts. Leonard at his best was a highly skilled fighter who could tough it out with the best of them, as he proved against Duran, Hearns, Lolande and others. Leonard at his peak was a complete fighter with extremely high ring IQ, proven when well past his best, he traveled up to 160 and claimed the undisputed MW title from Hagler, one of the greatest victories in the 20th century.
11. Sam "Boston Tar Baby" Langford
12. Archie "The Old Mongoose" Moore
13. Mickey "Toy Bulldog" Walker
14. "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler
15. Harry "Pittsburgh Windmill" Greb
16. "Big" George Foreman
17. Jimmy "Mighty Atom" Wilde
18. "The Fighting Marine" Gene Tunney
19. "The Executioner" Bernard Hopkins
20. Joe "The Old Master" Gans
A list I made some months back, I might change it, looking back at this I think Louis is too high, Leonard could be higher and Greb and Gans may not deserve to be where they are currently.Comment
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You get the award for the worst list ever, LaMotta gets a mention but Ali doesn't? Canzoneri above Louis and Armstrong? Johnson above Duran....OKOriginally posted by Japanese Boxing View PostComment
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