Are We Sure Ali Was Better Than Louis?

[New England]

i had louis ahead several years ago.

i don't anymore.

i really don't think it's all that close.

[New England]

i heard somebody mention cezanne.

this is my computer background, and i've been looking at canvas prints of the same painting. i've been collecting canvas prints on my walls for about a year and a half now.




cezanne was a beast. total beast. i may get a still after i get a good print of this landscape. he's one of my favorites.

[LacedUp]

I think Ali could do a lot more than Louis. He also drastically changed his style, and faced every style in the book and doesn't have a losing record to anyone other than Holmes and Berbick in his last two fights when he should never have been fighting.

I think Ali is clearly the better fighter H2H. Now, who's the greater fighter is another debate - but I still have Ali ahead.

[New England]

I think Ali could do a lot more than Louis. He also drastically changed his style, and faced every style in the book and doesn't have a losing record to anyone other than Holmes and Berbick in his last two fights when he should never have been fighting.

I think Ali is clearly the better fighter H2H. Now, who's the greater fighter is another debate - but I still have Ali ahead.

if we're talking about a fantasy fight, i don't think louis had the footwork to deal with the speed of prime ali.

[billeau2]

Nice post, but it has very little relevance to my own post.

I only stated that Ali was faster on the combination front....... and whilst there isn't much in it, Ali has a clear advantage in this department. It is clear from the films and I'd have thought is an opinion shared by the majority of fight fans.

The reason mentioned was because its hard to say who was ultimately quicker. The reason for this was the post which tries to account for the quickness of a Louis combo versus an Ali combo.

We can agree to disagree on this but that was the relevance. A similar analogy would be who is quicker (which punches got to target faster) Roy Jones or Zab Judah?

[billeau2]

i heard somebody mention cezanne.

this is my computer background, and i've been looking at canvas prints of the same painting. i've been collecting canvas prints on my walls for about a year and a half now.




cezanne was a beast. total beast. i may get a still after i get a good print of this landscape. he's one of my favorites.

It was a great time....the guys fed off of each other. Cezanne was a beast! Most people think Picasso invented Cubism but it was Cezanne.

[Sugarj]

The reason mentioned was because its hard to say who was ultimately quicker. The reason for this was the post which tries to account for the quickness of a Louis combo versus an Ali combo.

We can agree to disagree on this but that was the relevance. A similar analogy would be who is quicker (which punches got to target faster) Roy Jones or Zab Judah?

To be honest I'd rather compare the hand speed of Zab Judah in relation to Floyd Mayweather, which you touched on in a previous post.

Put simply, I'd say that prime Zab Judah probably had the shade faster outright hand speed than Mayweather. But Mayweather had the superior punch accuracy. Neither are startling combination punchers.

Roy Jones is pretty much in a league of his own. I can honestly say that when he was at super middleweight I've never seen a faster combination puncher in single or two handed flurries......dare I say at any weight. Prime Meldrick Taylor came close though!

Lets face it, there are plenty of fighters with ridiculously fast hands and terrible accuracy.

But coming back to Louis and Ali, we can only really judge what we see with our own eyes. Louis was a very fast combination puncher, he may even have been ever so slightly more accurate than Ali. But based on what I've seen I'd shade Ali combination work as being a little quicker to the eye.

[Anthony342]

Sure did. Boxing is one of the arts studied in the Tao of the Jeet Kun Do.

And he studied so many different styles that he's considered the grandfather of mixed martial arts, along with the Gracies.