no mas your thoughts

[rightsideup]

Just for clarification on point 2 I did not clearly state my intent. I was not trying to imply on the change of rays style in the second fight but on how he openly admitted to getting duran in the ring while he was not in the best of physical shape.

[Dr Rumack]

On the 'No Mas' moment itself, Kimball puts across the argument in 'Four Kings' that for Duran himself, he didn't really see the refusal to fight on against Leonard as 'quitting'. It was more a case of him saying that Leonard's antics were bullshit and he was being the real man by walking away from it.

This is the excerpt from the book on it, quoting Emanuel Steward:

My view was that Duran at the time actually believed himself to be committing the ultimate macho act. Emanuel Steward concurs. “Duran was completely frustrated, it was like he was saying ‘If you don’t want to fight, then fuck you. I’m not going to stand here jumping all around after you.’ In Duran’s mind I think he expected that the crowd would condemn Leonard for having made a mockery of the fight, rather than him for quitting.”

Don't know if I buy it. Duran was clearly weakened by his efforts to make the weight and frustrated by Leonard's tactics. But it's possible that on some level he believed he was taking the higher ground by walking away from the fight, that the fight had become a joke and it was demeaning to continue with it. If he was looking for a way out then that's the sort of thing a man like Duran might have told himself.

[Bolo Punch]

Did he really eat too much after the weigh in? Myth? Truth?

[rightsideup]

it is supposedly true

[CHEECH]

i believe it. i thought the same thing at the time. ray was fightin like a screwball in there, stikin his chin out and dancin all ovr the place. never cared for that kinda fightin